Turns out that Adobe is collecting all of its customers' pictures into a machine learning training set.
This is opt-out, not opt-in so if you use Lightroom, for example, it defaults to adding all of your photos to the set.
If these are unpublished pictures, work-in-progress, etc. they'll still be analysed as soon as they're synced.
I've been using Lightroom to sync photos from my Windows desktop to my iPad. Now I need to reconsider that.
@paulrcoen @baldur Huh. If you're on a large account - say you receive CC as a student at a college - you may not have access to opt out.
Presumably the institution has decided one way or the other, and users have no choice.
@baldur Not if you still use Lightroom Classic, as I do. At least, I hope not!
Let's face it, Adobe have never been the "good guys". The only reason I still use Lightroom is that it's the only thing LRTimelapse can work with.
@baldur 
I use Lightroom but without syncing anything.
Do you have a deep link to that setting? Is that on the web or app itself?
If you aren't syncing anything then I _think_ you should be safe.
I think it only applies to data that's uploaded to Adobe's cloud.
The setting is at this link for me. It should also be linked somewhere in the app itself.
Subscription-based pricing should have been a hint.
@stig AFAICT, most current machine learning approaches involve building a training set of some sort?
Also, after its history Adobe does not get the benefit of the doubt from me.
@baldur I have no idea what Adobe is doing — best we can do there is ask Adobe directly.
On training: after training, one can then use a trained model to make other determinations. The other determinations could be what’s covered in this text. But again, let’s ask.
@baldur Ah yes. That too, thank you!
PS typo “…starved and then ~bordered~ +murdered+ FireWorks…”
@alan @baldur @dave_rogers Fireworks was a wonderful product in its niche but Photoshop is (overall) a vastly more capable product. I do miss Fireworks for small tasks but it wasn't killed to protect Photoshop, but rather because web authoring techniques changed and lower sales couldn't justify ongoing dev efforts.
Source: I was lead engineer for the first four versions of Fireworks
@BoredomFestival @baldur @dave_rogers I stand corrected on the reason, thanks. However Sketch.app shows what Adobe *could* have made of Fw, if they had bothered.
On the upside, Dw is still clearly the slowest piece of cludge out there and PDFs remain the nemesis of a11y (nothing to do with Fw, but goes to my overall feeling of dislike for Adobe s/w in general).
@baldur it's not quite what it seems. This is an old setting with badly worded prose. I can't comment too much on it due to corp things but it's not the situation it appears. Hopefully comms will get it's act together soon and clarify what's going on here.
Mega corps can't help but shoot themselves in our feet it seems
@bendelarre Yeah, the way it's worded would explicitly give Adobe the permission to build a Midjourney style product with our photos.
Given everything else that's going on, I think it'd be reasonable for everybody to go and make sure that toggle is turned off.
Affinity isn't *within a million miles* of being a LightRoom "competitor" - they're completely different solutions.
(I've used Affinity Photo since the day it was released, and Lightroom since v.3)
@baldur "great" news... about shitty company that some time ago decided to not allow me to use software that i bought without a crack... (they disabled licence/activate servers for older version of LR/Photoshops)
so... i hope that more companies and people will go OUT of their invoice systems.
I do not want to sound ignorant, but if you are using Microsoft and iOS, I guess Adobe is the least of your problems...
@baldur @vgnpwr I’m not sure I disagree, but there are trade offs too. Apple isn’t a bad consumer mapping product IMHO - walks _a_ line between accuracy and data collection.
Can debate the _right_ line all day, but I can’t run a functional #QGIS instance on any phone, and #OSM doesn’t always cut it in critical turn by turn.
Really wanted that #QGIS or even #ESRI instance on-device last night, too!
Not that iOS is blameless in any way, there are myriad other concerns
@profpieters @baldur @pluralistic I am curious how #Adobe can assert rights to someone’s copyrighted images, if they contracted with a designer who used an adobe product and didn’t click to opt out
@tolortslubor @profpieters @baldur @pluralistic
"I am curious how #Adobe can assert rights to someone’s copyrighted images"
They aren't.
"None of your content is included in our products or services unless you make them public (for example, contributions to Adobe Stock and Behance). The insights obtained through content analysis will not be used to re-create your content or lead to identifying any personal information. "
https://helpx.adobe.com/uk/manage-account/using/machine-learning-faq.html
They didn't need to "ask": you're expected to "read the small print", and sign up only if you're happy.
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