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Ben Rosengart
What fresh hell is this? Adobe has opted me in to letting them train their algorithms on my photos? That’s the end of me using their cloud storage for anything, ever. #privacy #adobe #lightroom #LightroomMobile
Jan 4, 2023 at 5:29pmWeb
Show threadTin Bee 🥫🐝Jan 4, 2023
@fivetonsflax
It always feels like a business using something of yours, for their benefit, should be opt-in not opt-out.
Show threadBen DelarreJan 4, 2023
@fivetonsflax check this thread for a bit more detail, it's not quite what you think.
https://twitter.com/Andantonius/status/1610687184562196480
Jon Neimeister on Twitter

“I know it's trendy to hate on Adobe, but spreading fear and misinformation doesn't help us fight unethical. Click the "Learn More" button on that privacy page.”

Twitter
Show threadBen RosengartJan 4, 2023
@bendelarre How do you know what I think? I read that before I posted.
Show threadDick Smiths Fair Go SupportersJan 4, 2023

@fivetonsflax
How anyone ever trusted these "#cloudStorage" options is beyond us. Whether Apple, Google, CloudFlare, Amazon, Microsoft… damn all of C.A.G.E.M.A.F.I.A.

There's a saying in ethical #computing circles, "There is no cloud… its just someone else's computer.

Time to reprint that #FSFE bumper sticker, wethinks.

#computing #ai #microsoftOffice #thereIsNoCloud #adobe #lightRoom #useDarktable #darkTable

Show threadBen RosengartJan 4, 2023
@dsfgs I trust Apple, but I’m biased, since I work there. Also Apple now offers end-to-end encryption for most iCloud data, which I’ve opted into.
Show threadpaperdigitsJan 4, 2023
@fivetonsflax @dsfgs has Apple given up their copy of the encryption key?
Show threadBen RosengartJan 4, 2023
@paperdigits @dsfgs yes
Show threadpaperdigitsJan 4, 2023
@fivetonsflax @dsfgs well thats a nice change.
Show threadBen RosengartJan 4, 2023
@paperdigits @dsfgs I’m quite pleased! Overdue but welcome.
Show threadDick Smiths Fair Go SupportersJan 4, 2023

@fivetonsflax
We would not trust their #E2EE. Just like we don't trust "Google encrypted".

Also we were horrified by how badly Apple stores images locally. Until a year or so ago they were in somewhat logical folders based on month created. Now its a total dogs breakfast. An incomprehenible jumble of misarranged files, including many duplicates it seems. Terrible.

Show threadPusher Of Pixels (old account)Jan 4, 2023

@fivetonsflax this hell isnt exactly fresh. Unless you have explicit verification otherwise, everything you do on a computer is assumed logged somewhere

https://cyberplace.social/@GossiTheDog/109632341711653832

Kevin Beaumont (@[email protected])

If you’re outraged about Adobe sending your pictures off their servers (you should be), please know other vendors do this too. That horse has already bolted. Eg Microsoft Edge automatically sends your key presses in Edge to MS - enabled by default https://techcommunity.microsoft.com/t5/discussions/how-to-disable-writing-assistance-via-group-policy/td-p/3648422 Microsoft Office 365 sends every photo and screenshot you add in Word, PowerPoint etc (including in emails) to Microsoft 365 Intelligent Services without prompt https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/office/everything-you-need-to-know-to-write-effective-alt-text-df98f884-ca3d-456c-807b-1a1fa82f5dc2

Cyberplace
Show threadBen RosengartJan 4, 2023
@pixelpusher220 You’re talking to someone who’s worked full-time in internet-adjacent computering since 1997, FYI.
Show threadPusher Of Pixels (old account)Jan 4, 2023
@fivetonsflax FYI so are you 😜
Show threadBen RosengartJan 4, 2023
@pixelpusher220 That would be more relevant to me if I were explaining things to you as if I expected you not to know them, aka mansplaining.
Show threadI am Jack's Lost 404Jan 4, 2023

@fivetonsflax

Gotta love settings that don't apply in certain circumstances...

Show threadFredrik BjöremanJan 4, 2023
@fivetonsflax @lawik They want it to seem like a fresh hell, but it’s actually built from parts of other people’s hells …
Show threadIan FoggJan 4, 2023
@fivetonsflax If Adobe is using personal cloud photo storage for ML training, you may as well use Google Photos — similar privacy but at least Google's algorithms already work and offer some utility for the user now
Show threadAudrea 🌸Jan 4, 2023
@fivetonsflax Yeah, should not have to manually opt out.
Show threadAlyssa Miller 🛩️​   ​Jan 4, 2023
@fivetonsflax ugh I haven't been using any of their cloud storage but now I have to revisit my creative cloud account to make sure there aren't any hidden gems like this that would give them other unanticipated access.
Show threadLee PetersenJan 4, 2023
@fivetonsflax One of the many reasons I won't use lightroom or photoshop. FOSS all the way.
Show threadHarryJan 4, 2023
@fivetonsflax @Jyoti you can opt out easily.
Show threadJyoti MishraJan 4, 2023

@harry @fivetonsflax

But it should be an opt-in, NOT an opt-out.

Show threadBoredomFestivalJan 4, 2023

@fivetonsflax A friend pointed out to me that -- technically -- this *doesn't* say "use your content to train machine learning models", but rather, "analyze your content", which has been pretty standard practice in all sorts of apps for a long time now. (The fact that they may be using "machine learning" to do the analysis is irrelevant.)

Of course, the pedantic in me notes that "analyzing for pattern recognition" sounds like it could be construed to allow "training machine learning models"...

Show threadFennix Jan 4, 2023
@fivetonsflax Can we call this kind of bullshit Late Stage SaaS?
Show threadhalfobtusetriangleJan 4, 2023
@fivetonsflax Classic Adobe
Show threadherrMartinJan 4, 2023
@fivetonsflax .... When shit hits the fan
Show threadDonna Dechen BirdwellJan 4, 2023
@fivetonsflax I no longer use Adobe products. Their system is far too invasive.
Show threadCykonotJan 4, 2023
@fivetonsflax
AI should be considered the posterity of / culmination of all of mankinds achievements. Instead it is an economic weapon
Show threadsbszineJan 4, 2023
@fivetonsflax I switched to DXO PhotoLab and never looked back.
Show threadWi1h31mJan 4, 2023

@fivetonsflax Well, users should probably be happy that they can now opt out at least. But approaches like this are in my eyes a pretty clear message and makes my decision, whether I keep using that service pretty easy.

However, with the latest meta-ruling of the ECJ, Adobe should better revisit their legal opinion on this...

Show threadFlorine CalleenJan 4, 2023
@fivetonsflax Fot this I have my own cloud ...
Show threadadriftJan 4, 2023

@fivetonsflax my computer with the last non-subscription version of the adobe creative suite died a little while ago.

i'm very glad that i decided to switch platforms completely (my selection was greatly assisted by mastodenizens), now that adobe's gone and done this.

Show threadBen RosengartJan 4, 2023
@adriftinaotearoa I’m actually completely happy to keep using Lightroom Classic, subscription and all. I just won’t use the cloud functionality any more.
Show threadadriftJan 4, 2023
@fivetonsflax adobe's subscription model irks me to no end, but clearly it doesn't bother enough people to affect the company's decisionmaking.
Show threadBen RosengartJan 4, 2023
@adriftinaotearoa I like it. I expect them to incur recurring costs to support the software, therefore it seems sensible to me that they charge recurring revenue for it. It aligns their interests with mine. I understand this is a minority viewpoint.
Show threadadriftJan 4, 2023
@fivetonsflax oh, i'm not trying to argue that you shouldn't be - if it works for you, it works for you.
Show threadAnders SjöbergJan 4, 2023
@fivetonsflax They need tons of images to train their AI functionality on. Would be nice of them to ask first though.
Show threadScott ClarkJan 4, 2023
@fivetonsflax what, and this is opt-out by default?
Show threadBen RosengartJan 4, 2023
@Scottclark It seems so.
Show threadBibbleCoJan 4, 2023
@fivetonsflax why would you care?
Show threadBen RosengartJan 4, 2023
@BibbleCo I didn’t agree to let them use my pictures. I don’t have a clear sense of what they’re going to do with them or what the possible consequences are. Why *would* I be OK with it?
Show threadTodd GattsJan 5, 2023
@fivetonsflax
Why do you care?
Show threadDustregaJan 5, 2023
@ToddGatts @fivetonsflax because it is on by default and you have to opt out. Think of visiting a website with tracking cookies that doesn't notify you of them, then you eventually find the switch 'on', which needs to be manually disabled. Annoying and unethical. Flip side: unless @fivetonsflax accidentally toggled/agreed to it during setup or update. No judgment either way.
Show threadTodd GattsJan 5, 2023
@dustrega @fivetonsflax
I don't understand why it matters. You want corporate AIs trained on someone else's photos?
Show threadDustregaJan 5, 2023
@ToddGatts @fivetonsflax Not what I said.
Show threadTodd GattsJan 5, 2023
@dustrega @fivetonsflax
Sure, my bad. Sorry I didn't get your point. Peace
Show threadDustregaJan 5, 2023
@ToddGatts @fivetonsflax I was being direct to your question.✌️
Show threadBritish Tech GuruJan 5, 2023
@fivetonsflax Nothing online is ever safe. I'd LOVE to see a phone that uploads images to domestic server rather than to some damn cloud.
Show threadBen RosengartJan 5, 2023
@britishtechguru I don’t agree. First of all, my photos aren’t state secrets, I just don’t want to loan them to a software company for free. Second, I would trust end-to-end encryption with my life. https://techcrunch.com/2022/12/07/apple-launches-end-to-end-encryption-for-icloud-data/
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Show threadBritish Tech GuruJan 5, 2023
@fivetonsflax Encryption is only as good as the first hacker that cracks it. Allowing companies to profit of your own stuff without paying you just seems like disguised robbery.
Show threadnotesJan 5, 2023
@fivetonsflax I'm relearning/refocusing on @GIMP
Show threadOlliJan 5, 2023
@fivetonsflax what in the actual fuck
Show threadlee niederkoflerJan 5, 2023
@fivetonsflax Here‘s the direct link to opt out (took me a while to find it) https://account.adobe.com/privacy
Adobe Account

Manage your Adobe Account profile, password, security options, product and service subscriptions, privacy settings, and communication preferences.

Show threadBen RosengartJan 5, 2023
@lee Thank you.
Show threadJeff MoeJan 5, 2023
@fivetonsflax You mean it's the end of you *believing* you've stopped using their cloud storage... If you run their binaries, you have no idea what they are doing. They can easily take everything. Just sayin'.
Show threadBen RosengartJan 5, 2023
@jebba That is not correct. I have ways of seeing what’s happening on my network.
Show threadJeff MoeJan 5, 2023
@fivetonsflax Such as what? Most users definitely don't have this. Also, even with "ways of seeing" the network there are subtle ways to get data out (e.g. DNS exfiltration).
Show threadJeff MoeJan 5, 2023
@fivetonsflax Thinking further about this, why would it matter about what's happening on your network? Don't they already have the files? It's already on their network. You'd have to have control of their network to delete the files.
Show threadBen RosengartJan 5, 2023
@jebba Yes, obviously at best I can refrain from giving them new files, as un-disclosure of previously disclosed data is … let us say an unsolved problem in infosec.
Show threadJeff MoeJan 5, 2023

@fivetonsflax Yes, the files you previously had on Adobe's cloud are theirs, regardless of toggles.

How do your prevent their software from giving them new files?