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Jagermo Dec 29, 2022

LinkedIn CEO Ryan Roslansky

"Pre-pandemic,~1% of all jobs posted on LinkedIn were remote. As of today, that number is ~14%...but that's not the fascinating part. What's fascinating is north of 50% of all job applications on a daily basis on LinkedIn go to that 14% of remote jobs"

kira :3 Dec 27, 2022

@sumek I haven't used linkedin but that's absolutely where I'm at. COVID is #1 for that but remote also just opens the door to a lot more jobs, there are a lot of good reasons for someone who's looking

jadeforrest Dec 27, 2022

@sumek do you mind posting the source for that? Great quote.

LONG Dec 27, 2022

@jadeforrest Just the source of the information: https://business.linkedin.com/talent-solutions/global-talent-trends

Global Talent Trends: Data-Driven Insights into the Changing World of Work

Data insights from LinkedIn’s Economic Graph and member community to understand how labor-market trends impact candidates, employees and workplaces.

Alexandre Sieira Dec 27, 2022

@sumek @donkersgoed source: https://www.forbes.com/sites/jenamcgregor/2022/10/26/as-hiring-rates-decline-and-remote-postings-fall-linkedin-spotlights-internal-job-changes/

As Hiring Rates Decline And Remote Postings Fall, LinkedIn Spotlights Internal Career Moves

This week’s Forbes Careers newsletter brings the latest news, commentary and ideas about the workplace, leadership and the future of work straight to your inbox every Wednesday.

Forbes

Alexandre Sieira Dec 27, 2022

@sumek @donkersgoed that is from October, though. Wonder if the trend of returning to the office has intensified even more.

Alexandre Sieira Dec 27, 2022

@sumek @donkersgoed which is good news for companies like @TenchiSecurity that continue to embrace fully remote teams. This means it will become a differentiator in the hiring market again.

Mohamed Dec 28, 2022

@AlexandreSieira @TenchiSecurity

Just a heads up, all your job descriptions are all in Brazilian (I don't know if Brazilians call their dialect Portuguese or Brazilian, so opted for the sensible option).

Tenchi Security Dec 28, 2022

@kentoseth @AlexandreSieira we call it Brazilian Portuguese, but no worries. Yes, we are mostly hiring in Brazil at the moment. Plus, we are also completely revamping our careers page and that will change soon. Sorry for the inconvenience, and thank you for the heads-up.

Caleb Jenkins Dec 27, 2022

@sumek I can has link?

Woozle Hypertwin Dec 27, 2022

Just logically, the second part of that seems inevitable -- the pool of people who can apply for any given remote job is going to be much larger than the pool of people who can apply for a job in a specific location.

What I'd like to know at this point is how many of those local-only jobs really need to be local (and what the breakdown of reasons looks like), rather than just representing some Musk-like/authoritarian idea that remote work is somehow (just/mainly) slacking off.

jamriner Dec 27, 2022

@woozle @sumek great observation. If I have a job open only to people that are willing to work in a specific city vs. a job available to anyone anywhere via remote work, which one will get more applicants. It says nothing about the quality of the job or desirability of the job, just that it is open to a much wider pool of applicants

Hein Ragas Dec 28, 2022

@woozle @sumek I've been in a fully remote job for six months now, and I love it. I'm much more productive.
I've seen my direct colleagues exactly once -- it's a day's travel to the 'main office', so that only happens about once per quarter.
We have built a high-quality team that happens to be geographically dispersed, and that would not have been possible if the positions had not been remote-first.

Woozle Hypertwin Dec 28, 2022

@heinragas @sumek

I can think of very few reasons why an IT worker would need to be on site. With the increasing ubiquity of internet video, it basically comes down to equipment maintenance -- iff that's part of the job.

Hein Ragas Dec 29, 2022

@woozle @sumek If the work consists of looking at a screen, it can be done remote. At least as good, and in some cases significantly better, than in an office.

Woozle Hypertwin Dec 29, 2022

@heinragas @sumek

My couch is a heck of a lot more comfortable for working on than anything a company is likely to provide, that's for sure.

Hein Ragas Dec 29, 2022

@woozle I'm 40+, so ergonomics are important for me -- working from the couch would kill my back faster than any commute!
But I have the privilege that we have a separate office, that I could furnish with an electrically height-adjustable desk (I work mostly standing up) and the best desk chair I've ever sat on (the Moizi 18).

Woozle Hypertwin Dec 29, 2022

@heinragas It's interesting how people vary -- I'm 57, and I find that working from a "proper" office chair at a "proper" desk does the same thing to me ;-)

clacke: exhausted pixie dream boy 🇸🇪🇭🇰💙💛Dec 29, 2022

@woozle @heinragas I'm 44. Working on the sofa or bed affords me a whole range of positions, whereas working at the office desk with people around me affords me sitting down and standing up. I know which situation my back and neck prefer and it's the more varied one.

Woozle Hypertwin Dec 29, 2022

It helps that we have a very large sofa with a tall back, with a range of options for posture-support via strategic arrangement of pillowage. ^.^

Couch of Awesome

The Couch of Awesome (CoA) is a large couch purchased by Woozle's parents in 1975 and passed on to Woozle in 1990. It moved down to Athens in 1991; a few years later it acquired a wheeled framework, raising it off the ground by about a foot (thus theoretically making it easier to get out of). It then moved back to Durham (to 122 Pinecrest) in approximately 2003.

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@woozle @sumek modern management is based around the concept of "presentee-ism". The idea is if you are not in the office you are not really working and are "stealing" from your employer. Therefore you "must" be present in the office for your entire working day (and often more).

This of course ignores the research that shows work from home staff are generally happier, more well rested and more productive overall.

Woozle Hypertwin Dec 29, 2022

@81732bit @sumek

yyyeah.

...illustrating once again the commonality between the Right and corporatism: ignoring reality in favor of power-plays.

Ruwhei Dec 27, 2022

@sumek Makes sense; remote does not require relocation and thus garners more interest.

a very weeny construct 💀Dec 27, 2022

@sumek when i was job hunting in 2018, i lamented that linkedin had no mechanism or concept of remote work in their job search interface. so i'm not surprised at that 1% pre-pandemic number but i'm betting it's mostly their own fault

Pixprin Dec 29, 2022

@pho4cexa @sumek now they need to add remote by time zone :-)

@sumek Guess why?

People refuse to get forcibly.infected, suffer unpaod labour aka. commuting and don't want to do this for escalating commitment to commercial real estate.

Shadow Heart Dec 27, 2022

Job seekers still want remote jobs — but these roles are drying up

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/remote-work-mismatch-companies-office-workers/

Job seekers still want remote jobs — but these roles are drying up

Fewer companies are hiring people in remote jobs, even though workers still want the flexibility of work-from-home roles.

CBS News

kap Dec 27, 2022

@sumek

That's very interesting indeed. Still as someone who did a lot of recruiting in the past three years I suspect a great number of those 50% is shotgun applications from India.

Artemis Dec 27, 2022

@sumek interesting. I wonder how much of this is due to a larger applicant pool, and how much is a preference for remote jobs.

Keith Davies Dec 28, 2022

@sumek 'Fascinating' perhaps, but it shouldn't be surprising. For many of us being physically in the office is a source of discomfort and a large cost of time (i.e. the building I work in is physically uncomfortable and being in the office costs me 2.5-3 hours of commute each time)... and brings almost no value to the work. In my case either I'm trying to work heads-down and being in the office actively disrupts me, or I'm meeting with people literally all over the province via Teams.

Thorne Lawler Dec 28, 2022

@sumek Not only does WFH keep you relatively safe from the new plague, it is also the most practical option for the rapidly growing proportion of the human race whose spoon ration has been (permanently?) truncated by long covid.

Delta Sierra Dec 28, 2022

@sumek remote work (at least for me) is better in every measurable benchmark. I have a home office that fits my body and needs (ergo keyboard, chair, mouse, proper screen, no HVAC running all day, good lighting) AND I don't have to deal with a 2 hour round-trip commute on a road that kills people monthly. Also, no wasting time with conversations about sports or whatever HBO series is trending/popular (idgaf about either subject, but I waste time masking).

I don't see why it isn't the new norm.

Raphael Dec 28, 2022

@sumek I posted a remote Job on LinkedIn recently. 100% of applications were people apparently hitting LinkedIn's apply button without having read the job offer or without any real interest in it.

So the statistic seams plausible but useless.

Tyler Smith Dec 28, 2022

@sumek I’d love to hear more about this! Can you share where you found this quote?

EVHaste Dec 28, 2022

@sumek Yeah, this tracks with my own personal practice. I’m not even applying to places that are co-located only.
My background is in tech consulting. Even if I come into your office, the client is going to be remote. There will be a zoom call. Why shouldn’t I benefit from it?

Lucas Treffenstädt Dec 28, 2022

@sumek lots of people have no desire to spend hours every week traveling to work without getting paid for that time? Shocking!

Dami Dec 29, 2022

@sumek I wonder how long it'll take for the remaining 86% to start realizing that if they want the best choice of employees, they're going to have to offer remote work?

johne Dec 29, 2022

@sumek Like many others the open office is incredibly distracting to me. But one thing I had at a few previous jobs was my own office with a door. By moving away from that and technology progressing we’ve made working from home far more enjoyable and productive than any open office could ever be.

tippenring Dec 29, 2022

@sumek I was going to point out that is my expectation. I'll never agree to routinely work in an office other than my own again.

Michela Marie 🇨🇦Dec 29, 2022

@sumek While remote jobs are surely popular, this is of course, not reliable data. Anyone, anywhere can apply to a job posted on LinkedIn with a click.

One anecdotal — and therefore also not entirely reliable — account: when I post jobs on LinkedIn, I find most of the applications are garbage from applicants that do not meet the minimum qualifications. This is so common that LinkedIn filters out such noise by default, though one can see the filtered out applications if desired.

Michela Marie 🇨🇦Dec 29, 2022

@sumek Also, it makes perfect sense that remote jobs would get more applications than those that require a physical presence — regardless of employees’ preferences for their work environment — the applicant pool is not geographically restricted, and therefore a lot larger.

@sumek I really hope this doesn't get twisted back into making everyone go back to the office.

I figure it will on a long enough timeline because employers are nothing if not assholes

Farida Hanna Campbell Dec 29, 2022

@sumek LinkedIn is in the same neighborhood as Elon Musk. It is not to be trusted.

WowSuchCyber Dec 29, 2022

@sumek @GossiTheDog is there a link to a source for that quote?

infuriatingpixels Dec 29, 2022

@sumek In other words, if you post a remote job expect, on average, 3x more applications.
Also, if you _want_ a job that isn't remote, expect far less competition!

Bryan Dec 29, 2022

@sumek makes me wonder what percentage is offering hybrid. That is what my company is doing.

@sumek Which isn't surprising given that it is easier for people to apply for those remote jobs as they don't have to have any kind of location dependence. I would also wonder it to the quality of the candidates as whilst it may be 50% of people applying it may not be suitable candidates

Karrick Dec 31, 2022

@sumek @jbarros I think we have the technology to support a high percentage of our work to transition to remote work. However, I feel that we lack the people skills specific to managing a remote workforce necessary to support the transition.