Parker MolloyMay 2021, December 2022
Emma Green must be cursed to keep writing the same exact story where she sneers at people who wear masks
Hundreds of thousands of people in the U.S. have died from COVID between the publication of those two pieces, but she seems as unfazed as ever and convinced that people who took COVID seriously were somehow overreacting.
It's just such a frustrating type of journalism, with the writer's pre-formed opinion driving the direction.
And, I think it's worth keeping in mind, that these types of articles (there was another just the other day in NYT about "the last holdouts" i.e. people who still wear masks) are taking issue with people *choosing* to wear masks places. For the most part, mask mandates (which were always pretty limited) just aren't happening anywhere anymore. This is all very "your personal behavior irritates me and I don't like to be reminded that COVID happened."
It's bizarre. It's controlling.
Because while there's definitely a collective argument to be made that other people *should* mask (as their lack of precautions increase everyone's risks), there just isn't an argument to be made for why people *shouldn't* wear masks if they choose to.
So since late 2020-ish, there have been these writers who put out pieces where they try to create an argument against masks.
Those pieces inevitably boil down to a few implicit and explicit points:
Aesthetics:
So much of those pieces come down to "I don't like seeing things that remind me of the pandemic" or something similar. The point of these pieces is to create a social stigma around masks so that people who wear them might feel social pressure to ditch it.
And someone might point to the stigmatization of people who wouldn't wear masks/get vaccinated/adhere to recommendations, etc., as a "gotcha."
And, again, this is all built on the premise that being disallowed from wearing masks and being required to wear masks in a particular venue have similar levels of negative effects on others in that group. And that's just simply not even close to the case.
Once you acknowledge that no, actually, stigmatizing something that can have a negative effect on the health of others around you and stigmatizing something that can *only possibly serve to make it less likely for them to pass on a contagious virus to others* are not at all the same thing, the arguments for these sorts of aesthetic-based "omg why are people still wearing masks?" pieces lose their legitimacy.
And this happens on a number of topics. Anything that's been propped up as being related to a "culture war" or "cultural issue" gets argued in this same exact way in media: largely aesthetically-based, dependent on people ignoring that the negative consequences of Action A are not identical to the negative consequences of Action B.
This is why "contrarianism," while hugely rewarded in the media industry, is usually so damaging when it comes to sharing actual news.
Somewhat related, but I wrote this in July 2021 about the media contrarians (including Green) who've been doing this https://www.readtpa.com/p/a-society-of-holiday-inn-express
🌊Ann Morris🐕🍀🌎🌊🌊@parkermolloy My allergist requires all patients and staff wear masks while in the building. Too bad none of my other doctors are as health minded.
nshrubs@AnnMorris @parkermolloy All medical facilities in Washingon state still require masks. I saw a few masks in Utah, mostly at University of Utah medical facilities, which still required them even tho most of that state is in COVID denial & full of crazy anti-maskers.
I AM BANKSY ☕ / 🗑🔥@parkermolloy Trump staying at a Holiday Inn Express. Beautiful.
John Yonchuk@parkermolloy thank you for this
AutisticMumTo3 She/her@parkermolloy
Whether surface transmission of Covid is a thing or not it can transmit other stuff such as flu which can be a danger to some of us too. As an over 50 diabetic with 3 disabled young adults dependent on me I'd rather play it safe and use hand sanitizer after touching lift buttons etc.
Whether surface transmission of Covid is a thing or not it can transmit other stuff such as flu which can be a danger to some of us too. As an over 50 diabetic with 3 disabled young adults dependent on me I'd rather play it safe and use hand sanitizer after touching lift buttons etc.
word saladin@parkermolloy the culture war framing of it is so bizarre to me, in that the premise is the author/ed board are the perfect rational centrists gawping at these inexplicable weirdos. It would be the simplest thing imaginable to just explain: these guys look at people who won't mask in crowds the way you guys look at the people who won't wash their hands or get a vaccine - the pointlessly stubborn dupes crushing our hospitals and hurting themselves because they can't possibly bear the slightest personal inconvenience.
That's a really huge threat to their self image as the enlightened, scientific, rational centrists though, and makes it sound a lot like those guys might have a fair point. So every one of these pieces devolves into "hmm so what, other than completely sensible stuff that makes my position look bad, can we attribute this phenomenon"
Jeff Tucker@parkermolloy @mtsw the most surreal part of the article for me was right here. First, Tom Frieden makes the totally baseless pop-sci speculative claim, presented as fact, that making recommendations that (some? Many? Most?) people don't follow is counterproductive.
Then she presents these arguments from the people's CDC alongside claims that we are meant to take as slam-dunk rebuttals, when in each instance they're just beside the point!
"The 5-day quarantine rule is bogus [and was acknowledged as a compromise with business interests at the time!]"
"A majority of transmission happens in that window."
So? No one has agreed that cutting transmission from known infectious people by 51% is the right threshold!
"One-way masking is insufficient."
"One-way masking is protective."
Again, that just does not rise to a rebuttal! These are like LSAT examples of logical fallacies!
Craig Danz@parkermolloy it is so nice to see you back …micro-blogging (that what we call this?) with ease again. Twitter had become so unbearable and I forgot how great your writing is in this format when you aren’t constantly being harassed.
VivekaNicely put.
Prof. Charles Blattberg theorises that all the obviously-false conspiracy theories are primarily aesthetic, and are enjoyed for aesthetic reasons. And concludes that discourse helps them, and mockery is perhaps the most useful countermeasure. https://www.abc.net.au/radionational/programs/philosopherszone/conspiracy-theories-anti-semitism-and-fun/14101862
Conspiracy theories, anti-Semitism and fun - ABC Radio National
You don’t have to be stupid to be a conspiracy theorist. Many people who buy into paranoid fantasies about stolen Presidential elections and global Satanic cabals are perfectly sane, well-educated individuals. So why do they fall for these myths? This week we consider the possibility that the attraction is primarily aesthetic, and that the experience is fun. But why the perennial focus on Jews?
Klaas Bals@parkermolloy You seem to be ignorant of the fact that for some people, the COVID lockdown period was traumatising because they felt lonely, isolated and unconnected. People really suffered from that. I believe some people reacting allergically to masks suffer from this.
Sarah T. Roberts, Ph.D.@kbals @parkermolloy Yes, that must be it.
Gospel X@kbals @parkermolloy And for others COVID represents death through lack of precaution and continues to look that way as COVID persists. I don't want to make light of the trauma of isolation and the privilege I experienced with family in my home and access to technology that let me reach out at any given moment, but the greater good is inconvenient and uncomfortable. Trauma can, unfortunately, exist based on things that are in other circumstances very banal.
Tom Bellin 
@kbals @parkermolloy Parker is certainly not ignorant of that. But are you suggesting that the NYT reporter (and editors) are taking this position because they're traumatized?
@tob @parkermolloy no, I don’t know anything about the reporter, so I cannot judge about them. I see it around me and it helps me to understand how different people react to masks differently.
Gothmomma666@kbals @parkermolloy
And? It was very isolating for me because I’m severely immunocompromised and the real lockdowns only lasted 3 months. Then it was up to ME entirely to protect myself from selfish idiots. I have zero sympathy for those who can’t do the bare minimum for people like me that Covid will surly kill if I ever get it.
And? It was very isolating for me because I’m severely immunocompromised and the real lockdowns only lasted 3 months. Then it was up to ME entirely to protect myself from selfish idiots. I have zero sympathy for those who can’t do the bare minimum for people like me that Covid will surly kill if I ever get it.
@kbals setting aside that this is a stretch, that is not at all what those articles argue. I'm responding to the points and angles being pushed.
@parkermolloy It is not alarmist to point out that viruses (not just covid) can have subtle, long-term effects on our bodies and brains that can leave us debilitated.
Humans are notoriously bad at managing risk from illnesses bc of our tendency to ignore risks when things seem normal and overreact when things seem out of control.
Any analysis of mask-wearing that doesn't center these basic facts is dabbling in quackery.
NanaKim@parkermolloy Screw them. My husband and I still wear a mask when we go to the store. I don't care what people think. There are still many of us that have common sense. Countries in Asia have been wearing them forever. No one stigmatizes them, unless they're the anti vax conspiracy fools.
Stephen Bannasch (316 ppm)@parkermolloy I also think early the pandemic there were a bunch of guys who see a mask and it reminds them of a bra and think it feminizes them. They of course don’t say that — instead they appear to think wearing a mask is an unwarranted fear response. It’s of course sensible and perfectly reasonable to manage COVID risk with masks. Also masks can look super cool and work really well. I have a very high tolerance for risk and am extremely low tolerance for hurting others.
anarchademica timeline of some of how we got here (part 3, includes links to parts 1 & 2 ) https://thenewinquiry.com/the-year-the-pandemic-ended-part-iii/
also this talk https://youtu.be/OlFQ26SpGM0
Craig1555@parkermolloy thank you
Greg Stolze@parkermolloy Ridiculous! There are certainly arguments to be made against masking!
"If my waitress is masked, how will I know if she's pretty enought to try the techniques from that expensive PUA class? Hm???"
"Masking makes it much harder for Ring doorbells to contribute to a private sector panopticon stranglehold! WON'T SOMEONE PLEASE THINK OF THE PANOPTICON?!?"
...OK, I never said there were GOOD arguments...
@parkermolloy I enjoy NOT getting Covid from the mass of idiots that’s why I wear a mask. I also have an immune disorder that makes me severely immunocompromised.
Marie Bell@parkermolloy At a bare minimum, the people who object don't know if the people wearing masks are battling cancer or have vulnerable people in their homes. Wearing masks harms no one, but not wearing them can actually lead to death. How wearing them became objectionable to anyone is stunning to imagine. How dare people be careful!
Pax Ahimsa Gethen 🏳️⚧️@parkermolloy I just wrote about this the other day. I'm voluntarily wearing masks again even though I really don't like doing it, and would prefer to see everyone else's full faces as well. The pandemic is not yet over!
https://medium.com/@funcrunch/i-mask-when-asked-7b71101a9834
Dispatches@parkermolloy
Bizarre and controlling covers so much of this cultural mess on the right I wouldn't know where to start.
Let me think ...
dogcanyon 🦂@parkermolloy They associate masking with political correctness.
NerdGirlInVR 💜🇺🇸🌎🐘💜@parkermolloy I've gone back to wearing my #mask when out in public.
People are so stupid, I wear it to protect them from other places that I might have been.
I got Covid in December of 2019 and got through it without even knowing what I had. I'm not afraid of COVID.
People who aren't wearing masks (or still not #vaccinated) should look at what's going on in #China right now.
@parkermolloy @Binder Maybe the NYT can take a trip with me over to my closest ER, where I’m headed to care for someone, and see who really is a “holdout” and where they are now.
Acerbic Otter@parkermolloy it reminds me of the jerk kids I went to junior high with who mercilessly bullied kids from families with less money than theirs (raises hand, that was me) for wearing “cheap” clothes. The whole “people being weird about others choosing to still mask (also me) gives me bad flashbacks to being bullied
Jason Moser 
@parkermolloy so true - I tested positive for the first time during the pandemic so far on Christmas Day. I was telling another family member that I was isolating at home as my wife was still testing negative. The response was, “oh, you’re not masking at home, are you?” - almost annoyed before I even answered. (I am still masking at home.)
RDS (shawphd on Twitter)@jasonmoser @parkermolloy Of course you want to protect your family! So many people are weirdly blasé about sharing viruses. I don’t care if it’s covid or a cold: keep your germs to yourself.
Mr. J.D. Gumby 
@parkermolloy "And I don't like to be reminded that COVID is still happening", you mean.
Infosec Lurker@parkermolloy Honestly seems like "stop reminding me I could be a better person" is one of the main reasons the right hates the left so much. H/T "Why Are You So Angry?" by Ian Danskin/Innuendo Studios
Elizabeth Sudduth@parkermolloy Is her entire message just that vulnerable people should go die and decrease the surplus population?
Nick Dixon@hydropsyche @parkermolloy Ironically, given the political tribalism around this issue, it might be predominantly Republican supporters who are falling victim to COVID. Liberals tend to heed the health advice and protect themselves.
@nickdixon Unfortunately, people who choose not to mask are still putting the lives of vulnerable people at risk. Two way masking is far safer than one way. There is no "you do you" in a pandemic if you live in society.
@hydropsyche The pandemic and the public response to it has been (or should have been) an example of altruism in society. We make little sacrifices to help others.
It's notable that the people most resistant to the idea of masking, social distancing and, for all I know, hand-washing, are those who are inclined to be selfish. It's the Sovereign Citizen, tax-avoiding non-contributors.
Randomjeweler@hydropsyche @parkermolloy yup and even people who would like to go to work should go f themselves
@Randomjeweler @parkermolloy Here in the US, a lot of us vulnerable people have no choice but to work because that's where our health insurance comes from--the same employer who says I can't work remotely or require masks or vaccines around me is also my sole source of healthcare. Fun.
samantha@parkermolloy she is very, very angry at masks.
GuitarGirl@parkermolloy Ah, the pro-blood clots and vascular disease crowd … self-limiting problem, I guess. 🤷🏻♀️
Unabogie has voted Kamala!This is what confuses me about people who stopped masking. It's not Covid stopped. But yes, we're not as likely to die from it. However, there is a mountain of evidence that it really messes with our vascular system, including strokes and early dementia. So all I have to do is pop a mask on when I hit the store? Why wouldn't I?
Mike J👹🐀 🤘🏻@unabogie @GuitarGirl @parkermolloy Even if it were only as bad as a bad cold, I don't want a bad cold either and the main thing I have to do is wear a mask at the store.
@GuitarGirl @unabogie @parkermolloy @mikej Yes. Locally, what confuses me the most are our neighbors and friends who took masking and other mitigations seriously for a year, then abandoned all caution this year. And these are not stupid people.
mindstalk@mikej @unabogie @GuitarGirl @parkermolloy
Stores aren't super high risk anyway. To really avoid covid, you need to stay masked when indoors anywhere outside the house. No indoor dining, bars, or parties. Also, use a respirator mask.
Stores aren't super high risk anyway. To really avoid covid, you need to stay masked when indoors anywhere outside the house. No indoor dining, bars, or parties. Also, use a respirator mask.
Moth@parkermolloy "What fascinates me is how these groups use science to make moral arguments. In their view, science proves their worldview. This is a form of scientism—a belief that scientific evidence can definitively resolve conflicts over values."
Conflicts over values? Wasn't the issue about those who followed the science and those who completely ignored and or followed debunked "science"?
What exactly is the personal value involved in blocking viruses from my lungs?
@unabogie @parkermolloy @AmyDentata apparently giving a damn about the wellbeing of others is not a highly valued personal value by some. At least not giving a damn outside of immediate connections.
@phoccer @parkermolloy @AmyDentata
Or even then. Just look at the people who refuse to give their kids a free and safe vaccine, simply to own libs harder.