Zhi ZhuDec 10, 2022

"Once you're willing to debate whether one group of people or another should be abused, then abusing and expelling people from society is something that is up for debate."
~@JuliusGoat

Really good thread about being "reasonable" when discussing intolerance from A. R. Moxon.

Read the whole thing:
https://mstdn.social/@JuliusGoat@mastodon.social/109486257175259797

Reminds me of the "Paradox of Tolerance" essay.

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A.R. Moxon, Verified Duck 🦆 (@[email protected])

Imagine you have a friend. Let’s call him Rick Reasonable. Now imagine you have an enemy. Let’s call your enemy Bart B. Oilingwater. Bart is a real piece of crap. Here's what he does: Whenever he sees you, he throws boiling water at you. Usually you dodge it, but every once in a while, he catches you with a bit. You have to constantly be on the lookout for Bart, because if you let your guard down, it’s scalding water time!

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Show threadZhi ZhuDec 10, 2022

The Paradox of Tolerance

Unlimited tolerance must lead to the disappearance of tolerance. If we extend unlimited tolerance even to those who are intolerant, if we are not prepared to defend a tolerant society against the onslaught of the intolerant, then the tolerant will be destroyed, and tolerance with them.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_tolerance

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Paradox of tolerance - Wikipedia

Show threadZhi ZhuDec 10, 2022
Comic strip based on Karl Popper's "The Paradox of Tolerance"
Show threadpgcdDec 10, 2022
@ZhiZhu the best answer to that is (I paraphrase because I don't remember the exact wording): "Tolerance is not a moral stance, it's a contract. If one of the parts doesn't abide by the contract, they're not covered by it".
Show threadVentura JakeDec 10, 2022

@pgcd @ZhiZhu this view of tolerance as a contract needs to be promoted far and wide. It's a soundbite sized idea for a soundbite world.

#tolerancecontract #tolerance #paradoxoftolerance

Show threadZhi ZhuDec 12, 2022

@VenturaJake @pgcd

The Paradox of Tolerance disappears if you look at tolerance, not as a moral standard, but as a social contract.

If someone does not abide by the contract, then they are not covered by it.

In other words: The intolerant are not following the rules of the social contract of mutual tolerance.

Since they have broken the terms of the contract, they are no longer covered by the contract, and their intolerance should NOT be tolerated.

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Show threadBodhipaksa

@ZhiZhu @VenturaJake @pgcd

Yonatan Zunger addressed this in an essay called "Tolerance Is Not a Moral Precept." It's worth reading, I think. [Edit: I just read the small print on the graphic above and realized it's a paraphrase of the same essay!]

https://extranewsfeed.com/tolerance-is-not-a-moral-precept-1af7007d6376

Tolerance is not a moral precept - Extra Newsfeed

The title of this essay should disturb you. We have been brought up to believe that tolerating other people is one of the things you do if you’re a nice person — whether we learned this in…

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Show threadZhi ZhuDec 17, 2022

@bodhipaksa @VenturaJake @pgcd

Indeed he did. I credit Yonatan Zunger with inspiring the meme at the bottom of the meme.

I tried making a meme with his exact words, but people kept misunderstanding it. So I re-worded it to be a little more easily understood (I hope).

Here's the meme that quotes Yonatan Zunger exactly.

Show threadBodhipaksaDec 17, 2022
@ZhiZhu @VenturaJake @pgcd Your paraphrase is a very helpful one. I realize now it's because you used the much better phrase "social contract" instead of Yunger's "peace treaty" that I didn't realize the meme was from the essay.
Show threadZhi ZhuDec 17, 2022

@bodhipaksa

Thank you!

Show threadBodhipaksaDec 17, 2022
@ZhiZhu You're welcome!