Pro-Elon trolls are joining the #TwitterMigration so here's your regular reminder to block and report them immediately. If a server continuously fails to take action against abuse, block that server and demand your instance admin do the same.

Here, we're the content moderation. I've got major respect for the folks who built this place because, while the rest of us were complaining over on the #birdsite, they were successfully de-federating Gab.

Let's continue this proud #Fediverse tradition.

@jonielena It was only a matter of time. The dumber ones will start to take more time now to figure out how to join. Their drive? Douchebaggery.
@jonielena why would you want to censor other voices - even when we disagree?
Speaking for myself, that’s a dangerous, slippery slope

@eldon Because trans, queer, disabled, and racialized people deserve to exist in online spaces without facing hatred and abuse.

People who believe that other humans should have less rights and dignity absolutely deserve to be censored.

There is no both-sides when it comes to fascism.

@jonielena @eldon What Joni said. We can have differing views on which car is best, pizza toppings, or even public policy. There's no "both sides are valid" when one side is hate/ misogyny/ racism/ antiLGBTQ.
@eldon @jonielena confused about the difference between censorship and availing of ability not to be subjected to abuse?
@eldon @jonielena A privately-run server declining to allow someone webspace ≠ censorship, Eldon.
@eldon @jonielena its fine to have different views. It is not fine to be hateful and bigoted while doing it ✌
@eldon Astonishing to me that you're such a mark that you still fall for this pro-Nazi bullshit in 2022
@eldon @jonielena If you're not a government, it's not censorship.

@eldon @jonielena

In words of one syllable... no.

@eldon @jonielena I don't have a problem with people disagreeing with me. I have a problem with fascists, racists, xenophobes, bigots, religious/political radicals, etc. Those I censor and block, but in person I punch them in the face.
@david @jonielena hmmmm. Understand, but partly uncomfortable with how you’re expressing some elements.
Lucky enough to not really have been severely marginalized, so maybe that’s a blind spot. Still, I can be pro something, without being against something different. Right, totally agree with a just, decent world. I cannot agree with violence - even rhetoric.
And, does the world have a ‘common’ or ‘agreed’ definition of decency? I’m not aware…

@eldon @jonielena I am not a violent person. Far from it. I am sorry if the "punch them in the face" encapsulated me as one. There is a threshold, though, for everything. The expansionist, aggressive, Nazi Germany of WWII would have taken over if it wouldn't have met a match. Russia would own Ukraine by now. There are many, many more examples in human history like that.

What I am trying to say is, most of those I listed are violent groups. They want to hurt others. Occasionally, violence begets violence. It is a fact.

Now, back to the OP post, since we astray a little. I will censor, and block anyone promoting the ideas, and beliefs, the groups I mentioned have. It is that simple.

@eldon @jonielena

There can be no tolerance for intolerant people in a tolerant world. The slope is not even damp much less slippery.

https://academy4sc.org/video/paradox-of-tolerance-to-tolerate-or-not-to-tolerate/
Paradox of Tolerance: To Tolerate or Not to Tolerate?

One of the cornerstones of American democracy is the First Amendment right to freedom of speech, the principle that any individual can voice their ideas and opinions without the threat of censorship…

Academy 4SC

@eldon @jonielena I left Twitter years ago because I was tired of being attacked just for existing. I never came back. That's true for a lot of trans people like me and a lot of other marginalized folks as well. My usage of Mastodon is contingent on not having to deal with that all over again.

Platforms have two options here: proclaim themselves in favor of protecting marginalized people or promoting a world where "ideological diversity" is more important than actual diversity and the presence of marginalized people. Pick one.

@eldon @jonielena no it's a dangerous slippery slope to let them fester. It's the tolerance paradox.

@eldon , Do you listen to EVERY radio\TV station in your metro area? Do you subscribe to EVERY streaming channel available to you? Do you buy EVERY newspaper or magazine available at the checkout counter?

I guess you don't. That, my friend is censorship. Self-censoring also takes place online. Surprise!

@jonielena

@jonielena This. WAY more than on twitter, we should not engage these people. Blocking is how you prevent the spread since there's thankfully no algorithm to push them on us. They'll get bored talking to themselves and go away.

@Tweetfiction @jonielena

REPORTING and blocking is the way to do it -- more or less all instances' admins need our help now more than ever. If they get five reports about a new rogue instance's users instead of just one per day, they can make muting and defederating decisions faster and with greater confidence.

@jonielena
Just joined today. Like what I see sooooo far.
@jonielena kinda want to know the kind of things they are saying now

@jonielena yeah I think this will be a good test. I hope you can demonstrate to people how quickly you can get your string to be less toxic.

Also remember, that there's a huge difference between here and the other site. The other site is selling eyeballs they really don't have any incentive to get rid of anybody.

Here we're not selling anything, we're just here to talk. We're hoping that everybody's going to have a good time.

@jonielena Already blocked a few Elon booktlickers, also be careful about who you’re following - double check their links, see if they actually look like who they say they are.
@jonielena I'm not sure about some of these terms I'm coming across. Hopefully they'll all be google-able 🫤 #defederated #twittermigration #blockthetrolls #factsmatter #nanab_2010 #AnotherNewDay
@jonielena they just latch on like a disease.
@jonielena also, send #NAFO a heads up about them, so we can make them cry and then report them
@jonielena I'm sure the fossil fuel guys will show up too. Consider how advanced the process of abrupt climate change truly is, I'd block them too. They're even deadlier than Elon. In fact, he's just a distraction for them to use to divert attention to the issue now on our doorstep. And, BTW, good luck.

@jonielena

Some may wonder why trolls would not be happy dominating the #twitter space. That is because the typical, reasonable social media user is the focus and the product - for companies and for trolls alike. More analysis here:

https://robertsonp.substack.com/p/in-defense-of-the-twitter-quitter

In Defense of the Twitter Quitter

You don’t need to stay on Twitter and ‘fight’

Phil's Takes
@jonielena I would never demand my instance admin do anything. If I am unhappy I can move my account, but my admins are not obligated to serve my ethics, only their own.
@sabrinadent @jonielena this seems counter productive.
@jonielena So, any advice for someone who was never on Twitter, but also misses the chronological feed from early Facebook, and is now deciding to try getting into social media during the Twitter migration? Sorry, I know it’s a tall order. Lol

@jonielena Well, FWIW, I’d much rather be emphasizing empowering users rather than the server owners.

When instance admins tell their users what they can and cannot see on #Mastodon that’s bringing the content control over from #Twitter , just with a different individual in power.

IMO we should avoid replicating that situation.

@volkris @jonielena I think that's an inaccurate comparison to Twitter.

@jonielena that sounds like a dangerous path. Defederation should be an action of last resort as it breaks up the network and dialogue. What constitutes an Elon troll? Just because someone defends Elon and disagrees with others shouldn’t be enough for defederation. Otherwise we become worse than #Twitter.

In fact, to break my bubble a bit: I don’t think #SpaceX and #Tesla would be where they are if it wasn’t for #Elon.

@Setok @jonielena Also, arbitrarily declaring a whole group of people who you don't know "trolls" based on a single viewpoint on a single person, is beyond unfair.

Human beings are (A) complicated, and (B) individuals. One should always treat them that way.

In the case of Elon, it should be pointed out that most of his original fans were on the *left*. Back when I was on the Tesla Motors Club site, I only knew a single conservative there.

He's of course thrown us all under the bus now.

@Setok @jonielena There's been a lot of BS spread about him and his companies over the years, and I'll always stand up for facts. Even if the person is being... (*gestures widely at what #ÉlonMusk has become*). And here, I guess that makes me a "pro-Elon Troll". While I'm on Twitter I get called an *anti*-Elon troll because I criticize his ever-deepening descent into angry alt-right conspiracy theory madness.

@nafnlaus @Setok @[email protected]

In your opinion... why did he?

Why did Kanye?

Why did Trump, for that matter? He used to be a close friend of the Clintons, yeah?

@dev_d237 @nafnlaus was Trump though? There was an Internet meme some time back about how he donated to the Clinton campaign, but apparently that wasn’t correct. I know nothing about Kanye. For #Elon I suspect there were always those sides, and he might actually swing both ways. Some of my views are leftist, some rightish. Overall I’ve never liked 1D political axis and I’m not happy with the current polarisation meaning everyone has to agree about everything.
@nafnlaus @Setok @jonielena awww poor Elon fans, so marginalized
@jonielena Does muting or blocking work for you?
I still see accounts I’ve muted/blocked when others boost them.

@jonielena

"Pro-Elon Mastodon troll" should really be an oxymoron or logical fallacy or something.

I hope he's at least paying them in seasonal shoelaces or stale mini-donuts or something.

@jonielena

I think I ran into one tonight. He joined a #blackfriday discussion and spewed the n-word.

In the process of reporting him, I found other posts of his hurling slurs as various people. Checked those as well.

Real prince, that one.

@jonielena

If a server continuously fails to take action against abuseThe problem is that certain people consider everything that goes against their particular worldview to be "abuse". Don't be so quick to throw around words to try and denounce everyone that doesn't completely agree with you. All you'll accomplish is making sure those words lose their value, and people will stop taking you seriously when you yell them.
We're the content moderationYes, for yourself. Not for me, and not for anyone else. Stop this pathetic god complex.
Let's continue this proud #Fediverse tradition.
Joined: December 6 2022.

@jonielena

The most effective blocking; Turn off your computer. Get a life (see below) instead of getting worked up over the "Federated Timeline". Other people's texts don't matter.

Grow a garden, build a car, start with oil painting, or maybe just photography of nature. So many things are better than inflicting your anger on others.

Peace out.

@niclas @jonielena you're complaint describes you as well, as you post on social media. And it should be also pointed out one can have a life and do stuff online, it's not mutually exclusive.