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Should kolektiva change its registration policy? Currently it's open.
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keep open
basic screening
close registration
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This poll is just a vibe check. We're anarchists and a lot of non-anarchists are joining from Twitter and there's a question around what kind of environment we collectively want and can sustain. Really interested in hearing why people joined #Kolektiva and what y'all would like to see continue. 🏴🖤
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hiding from plagues ☣️♿@admin I joined because the instance I was on was way too right wing liberal and they were going to ban me for being outspoken about racism and the pandemic etc. So I had a friend help me move here and it has been fine ever since.
aether@admin i joined cos it's proudly an anarchist space on the internet. i'd hate to see that watered down here or infiltrated by nefarious types.
i think it should be said though, and no offence to you or the work done in maintaining this place which is commendable, that at least for me (and i imagine others), the beauty of the fediverse is its federated quality.
i'd like kolektiva to remain as is, but if it changes too far, i'd sadly have to find another instance which would be a shame. kolektiva is a great meeting place.
anyway, don't want to take up more space but just my thoughts on your query.
Jason Wyckoff@admin I'm all for a big tent, but we can't have stuff that's *anti*anarchist on here. And I know it's a fuzzy line, but some stuff (e.g., tankies) falls on one side.
@jasonwyckoff well there are moderation policies and code of conduct at https://kolektiva.social/about That's pretty 
Here's a snippet of things not to post:
Propaganda from politicians or political parties that seek to win elections
Propaganda from the USSR, CCP, or DPRK
Glorification of nation states and/or militarism
Messages promoting capitalism or meritocracy
Messages promoting or encouraging pseudoscience, conspiracism, or breaks with reality
Targeted harassment (i.e. evading blocks, repeated hostile replies, or posts intended to instigate brigading/dogpiling against a user or another instance), even for righteous reasons
Religious proselytizing/recruitment
sleepfreeparent@admin @jasonwyckoff I joined seeking to migrate from twitter to somewhere with anti-fascism baked in, and this seemed the only place that fit.
I dunno about screening, but I think an automated DM from @admin to new accounts would go a long way. Just a welcome and here's what you should know. I'm still unused to mastodon, and I hadn't really read the code of conduct before, but it's pretty epic as-is.
@sleepfreeparent @jasonwyckoff hey thanks for this! The crew really like the idea of a welcome bot and found one already made!
Sharon Rose 🌹@admin @sleepfreeparent @jasonwyckoff
I think an admin welcome message is a great idea.
I joined last year because a mutual on the bird site who got suspended periodically had a backup account here, and the instance name sounded good. I didn't pay much attention to whatever I clicked through signing up and had no clue I should, say, read the about page. But luck was with me and it turned out to be a great fit.
I would not like to see registration get too restrictive, because while I'm an anarcha-something-or-other myself, I'm very interested in the historical and ongoing conflict between the various anarchist, socialist and communist tendencies, and if there may be a new and better synthesis to be found somewhere amongst them.
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pedrohomero@admin @jasonwyckoff these (together with anarchism) were the exact reasons that made me join Kolektiva! <3
Queer Satanic@admin The argument for basic screening is an easy one to make when you’re not the one having to do the labor of screening people.
But, it seems like it would be helpful in labor overall by slowing down growth on this server if it’s becoming unmanageable to moderate.
It also might give people the opportunity to stop and think if they want an anarchist server or are just looking for something to replace Twitter. If there’s a way to make people answer questions that they understand something to that effect, it might help mutually fit everyone to know a meet expectations.
starfall(8)@QueerSatanic @admin If you're not doing the screening labor up front, you're doing it after people get hurt. There's no situation where you avoid doing moderation.
Helmic@starfall That's sorta true, but I'm not seeing people get seriously hurt specifically from new kolektiva accounts. The malicious actors know enough to lie, but most complaints I'm seeing are about liberalism - that doesn't seem anywhere near dire enough to justify making onboarding less accessible, I think we can expect most anarchists to find that very annoying but be able to put up with it so long it gets addressed in a reasonable timeframe.
We have to weigh the good done from providing an anarchist space to people migrating from a genuinely dangerous platform (or going to Mastodon instances with shittier policies, especially given the complaints of racism from black users) against the complaints of existing users, and I just don't think the occasional electoralism is traumatizing anyone enough to start filtering the kinds of people out who get intimidated by these filtering processes. I would certainly agree if there was a serious influx of chuds and dangerous abusers signing up, but at the moment that doesn't seem to be the case.
Not having to review the majority of users who will need a minimal amount of moderation can also still be overall labor savings. A lib being pointed to another instance takes time, yes, but probably less time than doing that and also having to approve many more accounts that never will need to interact with the moderation team except to file reports of what they see.
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@Helmic I mean, this is being considered specifically because Anna signed up to have somewhere that wasn't blocked by everyone to harass Ro with, so...
@Helmic Like, Kolektiva's historically slow moderation is a big point of contention. I think it's much improved from what it used to be, but like, the complaints of racism are sometimes because of Kolektiva and that's the context this is being considered for
@starfall The anna from witches.live? I must have missed that, if the complaints aren't about seeing liberals for a few hours but are specifically people starting shit then that obviously changes things.
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@starfall Dug and found some posts. So from what I understand Anna came on here specifically to evade a block. That should in itself be an immediate suspension.
For that specific case, though, I'm not sure how a screening process would have stopped that. It wasn't a case of a flood of randoms that would've been defeated by friction, she made an account for malicious purposes and could've just lied to get in, and it would have been seen as more an endorsement by kolektiva in that case since someone would have let her in. She probably wouldn't have used that exact username, and it's not like every person named anna on here deserves to be scrutinized because there exists an anna elsewhere.
It seems like the account was frozen once people were made aware of it. I'm not sure what could be done here to have stopped her from making an account short of making this invite only, and in that case she probably would have just used a different instance.
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down daemon@admin i've noticed a lot of people who may not be exactly anarchists with kolektiva accounts, but they seem adjacent, usually, and might learn something
squirl@admin I’m a Marxist-Leninist-Maoist and I trust this instance’s politics the most of all the stress tested instances, simple as that.
busta kitten@Iguanadelmar Much love to you and all others with our mutual goals under this hellish system currently monopolizing the Earth. <3
@squid mutual goals like lining anarchists up against the wall? Fuck off
@Iguanadelmar Do you wish to line anarchists up against the wall? I’m not sure what you’re doing on an instance run by anarchists if so. Quite disturbing.
Perhaps you should leave, if you wish for the death of anarchists.
Might I recommend going outside or something, if your current situation allows for it?
@squid what are you trying to be cute?
MLs have a long and repeated history of murdering anarchists.
So fuck off, tankie
@Iguanadelmar Helpful tip: Sober up before your next reply
@squid nice. Slip in a bit of substance use prejudice. Classic tankie move. Lets see what conservative values show up next. Maybe some homophobia? A pinch of antisemitism?
@Iguanadelmar The actual fuck are you talking about?
I too get into internet arguments while intoxicated, and I tend to regret it. That’s the only place I was coming from, and I reiterate my friendly advice.
@squid this isnt an argument, this is routine harassment of tankies. So take your tankie ass outta here and go read some history ya tankie fuck
@Iguanadelmar Let me get this straight, you’re asking me to read history? That’s a little amusing. And you consider this harassment? You’re going to have to at least accuse me of being a pedophile or something before I would grant you such a verdict.
@squid if you know your history and youre still an ML, then youre a fascist in disguise
P.s. did i mention fuck off?
P.s. did i mention fuck off?
@Iguanadelmar I could make a joke about knowing your history and being an anarchist, but what’s the point?
Hero worship is toxic. Marx himself would tell you so.
What was your point exactly?
@squid youre totally incoherent.
The point was you should fuck off. Its not hard.
The point was you should fuck off. Its not hard.
@squid oh look what just popped up in my timeline
#OtD 17 Dec 1933 sexual contact between men was re-criminalised in the USSR, after it had been decriminalised in 1922 in the wake of the 1917 revolution. After it was introduced, gay and bisexual men began to flood into the gulags. Learn more: https://libcom.org/history/gay-gulag
#OtD 17 Dec 1933 sexual contact between men was re-criminalised in the USSR, after it had been decriminalised in 1922 in the wake of the 1917 revolution. After it was introduced, gay and bisexual men began to flood into the gulags. Learn more: https://libcom.org/history/gay-gulag
@Iguanadelmar Reading the post you’re replying to might help. Again, hero worship is toxic.
In case you didn’t notice, I don’t interact with minors. If your age is the reason for your incapacitation, please stop talking to me.
ETA: And your link is a 404 lol. Beautiful. Try actually reading sources you link, it usually helps.
@squid https://libcom.org/article/gay-gulag
Classic genocide denier tactics. Im sure youll ignore this post now
@Iguanadelmar Why are you claiming I deny genocide? Also, how is it a “tactic” to point out that you pasted a broken link and clearly didn’t actually read what you were sending me?
Explain how this relates at all to our discussion and perhaps I’ll read it. As a trans woman, I don’t feel like triggering myself just for the sake of your trolling.
@squid lol. You simp for marx and lenin and mao. They thought up and built systems that massacred millions of people. When one of these genocides is brought up, instead of engaging with it, you complain about a broken link. As if that invalidates the fact that countless people were killed. Thats how marxists engage with history: they pick and choose, and deny genocide. Thats how they maintain the cognotive dissonance of supporting a murderous authoritarian ideology for liberatory reasons.
Fuck.
Off.
Fuck.
Off.
@Iguanadelmar The admin didn’t seem to think so when I talked with them last month.
Have they been replaced in my absence, or something? What are you implying exactly?
@squid theres a clear anti-tankie policy on this instance. Why dont you go find yourself some friendly little internet rathole where you can have a little tankie circlejerk? Nobody wants you here.
@Iguanadelmar No, there clearly isn’t. Go back and check. Either way, I’m not a “tankie”, whatever that is, so even if there were I’d be good.
All there is is a recommendation to not lionize or defend the USSR, C”C”P, or DPRK. It’s not banned, but I don’t do it anyway, so…
hex@admin I came here because it's an anarchist instance. I do think there's value in leaving the space open as long as mods can deal with the influx.
Constant exposure to anarchists is a pretty good way to become an anarchist. If you come to an anarchist instance, that should be something you understand and accept.
@admin im in favor of keeping it open and harrassing libs & tankies until they leave
Pando@admin joined Mastodon and this server after a recommendation in a video from @DemonMama , figured I wanted to try something new, so I gave it a try and was happy to discover all this new stuff.
I'm really interesting in building a more comprehensive community, maybe seeing more eco news, as well as some shitpost/memes cause some fun is always nice. So far I can't say I've had much issues here, quite satisfied to have made the leap.
I'm really interesting in building a more comprehensive community, maybe seeing more eco news, as well as some shitpost/memes cause some fun is always nice. So far I can't say I've had much issues here, quite satisfied to have made the leap.
James lives in Buffalo@admin I'm anarchist-adjacent. I've been encouraging various sorts of lefty people I know to consider this instance because I think anarchists have the correct approach to speech issues. From my perspective, it's less about "free speech" than it is about not censoring responsible speech. None of the boundaries set to discussion (no hate speech; sensitive treatment of certain subjects i.e. CWs) are anything that anyone I know would struggle with. For people worried about stories they've heard about the censorious culture of Mastodon, kolektiva is pretty liberating. I expect the instance's job will change over time.
DudistPriest@admin I just joined. It gave me a choice of servers to choose from and since I would very much like to burn the whole system to the ground and dance on the embers, this one seemed appropriate. Also, where do I send money for my upkeep here? No clue at all what I am doing but I very much want to be a contributing member of the collective.
ratgirl-grunge 🏳️⚧️🐀@admin yeah there might have to be something done, like why is there a tankie in the replies here making trouble
Izzy@admin I joined this server because I figured my leftist opinions would be welcome here and that there wouldn't be shittons of transphobia and other queerphobia that has taken over Twitter and had a resurgence in my city (in the wake of our club getting shot up).
Also I need to get armed soon and I know that people here will probably be helpful and I won't get banned by libs for pointing out that it isn't possible to disarm fascists at this point and I'm not gonna start counting on pigs for protection from their buddies.
So far it's a good vibe! Happy to be here.
Kit O'Connell@admin I think this is a time where casting a wide net and building big networks of solidarity is real important, but making sure new users understand some basic ideas about what this space is for seems reasonable.
Warm hornets@admin I joined because of submedia, which I've been following since at least as long as it's existed (join the resistance: fall in love.) I got fed up with twitter and have friends here, so why not. I don't know what this has been like since I just joined, but ultimately I want news of what anarchists and antifascists are up to. I wanna see cute dog videos and introductions to new ideas.
Atlanta Antifascists 
@admin thanks for doing what you do!
While many/most of us are anarchists too, to be completely honest, the top reason we joined is for pure survival. We know y'all aren't going to kick us off for doxxing Nazis.
We love the custom emojis.
Our biggest technical problem with moving most of our stuff to this platform is the lack of full text search or even multiple hashtag search. If there's ever a way to opt in to full text search in the future, we'd like to do that. We wouldn't want to force other people into doing it, we'd just like to opt into it ourselves.
fruechtchen [en] (he, white)fyi: full text search is already possible, it is just much much more costly to enable that.
dragora@admin I joined because I'm an anarchist and I wanted to be in a space with a decent amount of anarchist thought/discussion. My local anarchist scene has largely gone dormant (plus I always fit in kind of awkwardly there anyway), so I've found myself having to work with non-anarchist groups to get stuff done. I appreciate this instance as a place to remain more directly connected to anarchism.
Anarko Trafikante@admin I joined cause im an AnCom and wanted my data in the hands of anarchists rather then anyone else, and I wanted to be able to post anarco-communist ideology without getting shit from mods. Also having a community of anarchists in the instance was an important starting ground for building a new social media account. As far as my two cents on how to deal with the new influx I don't think any restrictions are helpful in anything but isolating the movement, but moderation to filter out those who violate the instance rules and spread reactionary ideas is important.
FMTowns@admin I joined because I would love to see a classless, stateless, and moneyless society and I figured I was more anarchist than socialist, I've read the conquest of bread and am sold on the communism kropotkin spoke of, as well as erico Malatesta's Anarchy, but haven't read Marx (besides the manifesto) Lenin, Trotsky, Mao and such so, while I've seen Alki's series on why "the state is counterevolutionary" , I would like to basically read everybody's ideas, wouldn't try it, just don't want to knock it before I've read it. And not just from back then but contemporary left/leftish writers like David graeber and yanis varoufakis.
I personally want to get along with any leftist I meet, so I'd rather not pick a fight with someone advocating for anything less than Anarchy. Atm I don't mind befriending keynsians wishing to move away from neoliberalism and just, stopping there, their big wins are my small wins. But of course I still want Anarchy.
So I've got some questions.
I saw a "rules" post in this thread.
Regarding posting for a political campaigns, does that include reblogs? Like if I wanted to reblog a message uriging people to vote for Raphael Warnock in the runoff just a little while ago.
Since it was mentioned posting CCP, USSR, and DPRK propaganda is not allowed. Is it strictly these countries? Or does it include the GDR, Vietnam, Cuba and so on? Would posting say, a meme video with anime characters singing "Der heimliche aufmarsch" be considered GDR propaganda?
Is posting appreciation for something happening or that happened in an existing socialist, social democratic or such country like Cuba, Vietnam, Venezuela, Sweden, Norway or even Brazil now that they have Lula, "glorification of a nation state" ? Like say if I expressed appreciation for the handling of covid in Vietnam or Cuba, because they're less of a capitalist death cult than the US. Or infrastructure building because a country decided to ignore the profit motive when building it.
Regarding conspiracy articles, I'm glad to see that since joining kolektiva I've run into sites like anarchist federation, however when I first started my journey going left I used to listen to and read grayzone articles and am now convinced they're not always factual. I would like to help spread leftist news and ideas, but am also worried I could spread misinformation. At this moment for me, all news feels like fake news until fact checked, or gets loaded with source links. If I found an "anarchist" news article that doesn't have sources, or can't be fact checked, if it's basically isolated, can we call that a conspiracy theory/article?
Reblogging applies to all the questions including this last one, I've listened to many leftist over the years, some are statist, if they tooted something I liked from an anti-capitalist perspective but not a pro-state prospective, is it okay to reblog it?
D351 (fae/faer)@admin that's a really tough call.
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Gabby@admin I'd advocate for staying open, but also actively encourage people landing to take a look around and explore if the instance is the best place for them once they understand how things work here a bit better.
That's what I ended up doing, and I'm very grateful that your instance was there for me when I made the jump from twitter. I didn't leave because I disliked it, just found a smaller region-specific server more appealing.
@admin I'd also say that should definitely change if and when you start getting close to an unmanageable moderation burden, but that probably goes without saying.