Quietly observing

how many people

framed their disagreement with my ASKING if I would have to CW most of my life & activism & daily life

as defense of CW
or defense of #Mastodon culture
or didn’t even read or listen to anything I said

hence proving my point.

Which I made behind a CW out of respect for the community here
by the way.

You cannot truthfully claim you’re not attacking/harassing people just because you dress it up as defense of others.

#TwitterMigration

The extra labor one has to do as a Black person IS the problem.

Having to move to an instance where people understand by default IS the issue.

White people don’t have to find an instance where it’s okay to talk about their daily lives of being white.

Just realized I can’t find my own unlisted posts! So #DisabledBlackTalk will have to do until I find a solution…

Once again. I have no problem with content warnings. My problem isn’t with content warnings OR instances.

And every time you frame the answer or show me the creator of Mastodon’s answer to the content warning issue you’re telling me that you don’t understand what the issue is.

The issue is that there’s no way for me to FREELY BE WHO I AM IN PUBLIC ON #MASTODON WITHOUT HAVING TO HIDE MYSELF.

SAYING I HAVE TO HIDE THINGS ABOUT MYSELF FOR A POPULATION’S COMFORT IS ITSELF PROBLEMATIC.

@Tinu 1000% this. You've nailed it here.

To be in community requires conscious, consensual discussions and willingness to change culture/rules to the member's changing needs. Culture shouldn't be static - it often needs changed.

Folks relying on "this is the culture, deal" are engaging in authoritarian behaviors that oppress and don't actually address our concerns. They aren't willing to be in community with us, which is harmful and exclusionary.

@Aaidanbird Wow did I mail it or did you. Thank you for adding to the discussion.
@Tinu I honestly don't know if people realize they are falling into that or realize the impact of their behaviors. (Maybe there's naivety, but I suspect it's privilege gumming up people's ears and folks getting caught in that "this way or highway" which is not at all workable for community-building.)
@Aaidanbird Astute observation you on fire 🔥
@Tinu Don't use CW, be free. If your instance doesn't like it, find one that does. No one has to follow you, no one has to see it if they don't want to. Why are you complaining? If I want to use CW, maybe even over use it, that's on me too. Go crazy. There is no overlord in the #fediverse

@jdarnold I’m not complaining I’m making an observation that finding abmnither instance is yet another emotional of physical labor instance that white people do not have to do in order to exist.

It adds up. That’s part of what racism is. I’m doing my job,

@Tinu if I'm understanding, the issue is that someone telling you to use a CW is a form of discrimination/silencing. There are some racist undertones that I don't have the context for but the heart of the issue is using CW as a tool to silence others?

nothing about one's public life should be subject to that kind of silencing?

@shadowsonawall @Tinu appeals to social norms have been a means of quietly excluding people from spaces since forever. You may not have experienced this for racial reasons but you’ve probably felt deliberately excluded from a space where you felt you belonged for reasons that felt made up (didn’t dress right, know the right bit of trivia, etc). A related problem with using accessibility tools as a weapon is this undermines their function for the cases where they’re actually beneficial and needed

@Tinu Social networks all have their own culture, & the same is true with Mastodon—except it’s a thousand mostly united tribes.

I know on some instances like Counter Social (my profile is @Darnell FWIW), content warnings are rarely used & seem to be ignored.

I usually use content warnings on politics or twitter news as many people here are over exposed to both & prefer not to read any more info about either.

@Darnell @darnell 😂 🤣 I’m well aware of that and it’s really not the point as I’ve said repeatedly.

I have no problem with content warnings. The post itself was behind a content warning.

I’m happy to circle Bach when you’re better prepared for this discussion if you’d like! 😊

@Tinu @Darnell @darnell I'm learning so much from this discussion. Thank you for bringing it up!

Personally, the only CW I think is absolutely necessary right now is for spoilers for current TV shows.

@MortenBay @Tinu @Darnell Heh! I have used content warnings for spoilers or potential spoilers of movies.

I started using them for politics after people complained about being overly saturated with news regarding the super-sized orange Oompa lumpa.

The same for Twitter news too. Aside from those three, I usually do not use content warnings.

@Tinu Yes, you're right. It's something about Mastodon culture that needs to change.
@Tinu if I don't agree with you I won't follow you. I will listen to you.

@Tinu

I feel this, as a person making an instance for Jews.

In theory, such instances for marginalized or targeted minorities would not be necessary, but that does not solve our immediate needs.

@emacsen I’m sorry that problem exists. 💙 Wish I could make it go away.

@Tinu

I feel the same, but what I do have is sufficient privilege to:

1. Start such an instance
2. Build tools to make instances safer
3. Share my knowledge with others to empower them to do the same

#TikkunOlam

@Tinu you are right. #blackLivesMatter is about simply Black People Deserve Equal lives. Get with it people.
@Tinu I don’t believe you need to hide anything behind CWs. Please stay. I hate that this is your experience.
@littlefish I'll be fine. Thank you so much for verbalizing your support. 😁♥️
@Tinu you are very welcome. All best wishes to you.
@Tinu I've been finding it useful to check the account ages of a lot of the lecturers. For some reason it seems like most of them are brand new Twitter converts themselves. Which... Does not make them the best source for mastodon etiquette advice 😑
@Tinu I hear ya. I've presented studies that show CWs can be harmful (especially when overused), and explained that CWs give me anxiety as a trauma survivor, but apparently that wasn't enough. Not wanting to see content they "don't like" is far more important than listening to the intended audience for CWs.
@Tinu coming from the guy who started mastodon, this kinda settled it for me https://mastodon.social/@Gargron/109323056922301691

@donniecash818

It’s as I’m saying “I have a problem”

And everyone’s answer is “the solution is that you have a problem.”

This response underlines the point I’m making.

Which is extraordinarily frustrating as it shows those who are answer are not actually listening to what I’ve said before answering.

My problem isn’t with content warnings.

@Tinu I apologize for misunderstanding and misinterpreting your point. Certainly didn't want to add on to the issue, which is exactly what I did

@donniecash818 Apologies not necessary- you didn’t intentionally set out to wrong me and I don’t feel Wronged just Frustrated.

And you helped lead me to the person who created this instance whose name my CLL brain kept blanking on.

So really you did me a favor. Maybe letting the person at the top know that some people (not you!) are using CW to hide casual racism will help.

It occurs to me owners and mods might not be aware of how legit issues are used to hide prejudice.

@Tinu So you went above & beyond to make others comfortable & it sounds like they made it about others?

I don’t know what you have to deal with, but I do want to be in a place that is safe for you to share your experience. Your experience. Please don’t CW.

As someone who has chronic health issues, mental illness & a great deal of trauma, I think it’s important for others to understand that not all struggles are easy to see & we can learn empathy from hearing people’s stories

@Ellinorianne Thank you. The harassment IHave had from both twitter and here in the last hour makes me wonder if a different instance, assuming I can move, is even a temp workaround .

If I’m gonna have strangers yell at me anyway for just talking about my day, what’s the point?

@Tinu
First of all, I’m incredibly sorry that you have to deal with this anywhere. No one should have to hide their personal experiences. As you probably know, the reason you continue to share is because of the people who tell you how much you doing so helps them know they aren’t the only one who struggles.

Abd, you absolutely can move and take all your followers!!! Here :).

https://med-mastodon.com/interact/109310233636780268?type=reply

Med-Mastodon

@Tinu @Ellinorianne I really hope we can get a lot of these instances better modded or blocked.
We really need the #Fediverse to not turn into what we all just left.
@tiesa @Tinu I hate to say this, but when you have such a large number of users, it’s nearly impossible. Having been online in different social platforms, I’ve experienced many kinds of harassment. 20 years ago when I was a popular contributor on an huge live journal site, some of the mods decided they didn’t like that because I was ten years older than them. They snooped, found out I had a baby and bullied me to the point of multiple people threatening to call CPS

@Ellinorianne @tiesa As I said to Black people in my audio, the moderators can’t protect you when they only understand the overt level of abuse.

And as I didn’t say, when the larger culture refuses to educate themselves.

We’re living in the result of the result of American culture refusing to reckon with how White Suitemacy harms white people and poor people and gay people and trans people, not just Black people and people of color.

I don’t expect that. 🤷🏾‍♀️

@Tinu @tiesa I didn’t even address the racism you face. Our country is not going to be ready to tackle this issue until everyone gets okay with being really fucking uncomfortable. That’s it. Too many don’t want to admit they’re racist or that racism exists. If we can’t do this, we can’t work through it or past it. And if we can’t admit it, we can’t change the racism ingrained in many of our institutions, from healthcare to the judicial system.
@Tinu @tiesa I’m sorry we aren’t doing better. People are so blind to their privilege & have no concept of how they benefit from it. I had an argument with a white man last week who didn’t believe that black women are treated differently in professional settings if they wear their hair naturally & that there’s pressure to straighten their hair. He was so insistent that it wasn’t true no matter how much evidence I provided. People just don’t want to see the truth.
@Ellinorianne @Tinu this is so true and many of us don’t know our privilege until it’s taken away from us and we have to navigate our world without it.
We really need to do better.
@Tinu At this point it can’t really be claimed that they do not understand. Enough of us have said it in various ways that you have to choose to not understand. It isn’t that there are CWs or instances it’s that we need them (or are pushed to use them) in order to exist in the space
@garyforct @Tinu time for those of us who profess allyship to walk the talk!
@Snwdrft @garyforct @Tinu
I get a real “there goes the neighborhood” vibe.