@academicchatter @phdlife @phdstudents

In search of research & writing workflow that works for me & supervisors needs.

👉 So far, using #zotero for references cause it best integrates with other tools. For note-taking I use zotero notes and mostly @obsidianmd.

For writing up I use #sciflow enabling me to write on any device, but my supervisors want a .docx not a .pdf 🙈

Tried @pandoc but still too much formatting after changing the pdf to word. Advice? Any wysiwyg pandoc template builder?

@schlittenhardtm @academicchatter @phdlife @phdstudents @obsidianmd @pandoc feel the same about pandoc. Looks amazing but I struggle to make it work for me
@dadadan @schlittenhardtm @academicchatter @phdlife @phdstudents @obsidianmd
Maybe #QuartoPub is more what you need then. It makes many things a good bit easier (and it has good documentation, too).
https://quarto.org
Quarto

An open source technical publishing system for creating beautiful articles, websites, blogs, books, slides, and more. Supports Python, R, Julia, and JavaScript.

Quarto

@pandoc @dadadan @academicchatter @phdlife @phdstudents @obsidianmd

Thank you! I am going to have a look!

@schlittenhardtm @pandoc @academicchatter @phdlife @phdstudents @obsidianmd same. But I do intend to make pandoc work for our pipelines too, just need more time to test and read.

@dadadan I struggled as well, but then found a simple and straightforward explanation for doing the export. Maybe it can help you.

https://forums.zotero.org/discussion/93944/help-from-markdown-to-zotero-live-citations

I can't link to the actual post, but you can search for "TIPS / PROCESS FOR THE COMPLETE BEGINNER" and you'll find it. Screenshot attached as well.

But, as @schlittenhardtm mentioned, you still need some formatting afterwards. Not a big deal for me right now, I try to write in Markdown and I am using word styles to do the formatting. But I still have to check out this Quarto thing mentioned by @Pandoc.

Help: From Markdown to Zotero live citations

Hi I am new on the forum but have been using Zotero for a few years now with the word plug-in.

Zotero Forums
@schlittenhardtm Customizing docx output is probably the best solution in this case. https://stackoverflow.com/q/70513062/2425163
Sciflow can also produce quite good looking docx output AFAIK.
How do I add custom formatting to docx files generated in Pandoc?

How can I add custom formatting to docx files generated by Pandoc from, say, Markdown? For example, can I highlight text or center it? Can I restyle links, etc? I know that I can change styles for

Stack Overflow
@pandoc I will have a look. The idea of a reference doc sounds good.

@schlittenhardtm @academicchatter @phdlife @phdstudents @obsidianmd @pandoc Firstly: Boo to your supervisor for demanding a .docx.

Does SciFlow have any other export capabilities than PDF? HTML is highly structured and will probably convert way more nicely to .docx than does a PDF, so that might be worth a try.

@thriveth @academicchatter @phdlife @phdstudents @obsidianmd @pandoc

The template I use offers pdf with great formatting, there is also an option to download the data in a docx, but it needs a lot of formatting afterwards, including citations...

I use #Scrivner. Like any app it takes a bit of getting used to but you can configure it the way that suits your approach and it has all the functions you and your supervisor are asking for. I paid for it after trial period (modest amount) and have been using daily for 3 years. Highly recommend. @schlittenhardtm @thriveth @academicchatter @phdlife @phdstudents @obsidianmd @pandoc

@naomid @thriveth @academicchatter @phdlife @phdstudents @obsidianmd @pandoc

I once had a look on #Scrivener, my issue is that I need to be able to work from two or three differing devices, depending on where I am or at what time I am writing. Oftentimes that great idea for a good summary sentence comes in the middle of the night, and I just want to quickly turn to my cellphone and add it directly where it belongs.

Hi, @thriveth , SciFlow has the option to export in .docx format. Isn't that what you need?

Screenshot (Publish options)

@schlittenhardtm @academicchatter @phdlife @phdstudents @obsidianmd @pandoc

SciFlow - Writing and Publishing Simplified

Use the SciFlow text editor to ✓write, ✓improve, and ✓format your scientific texts. ► Sign up for free now!

@jmrplens

Thank you! I think it'll mainly be of interest to @schlittenhardtm, I don't use SciFlow, but thank you.

@academicchatter @phdlife @phdstudents @obsidianmd @pandoc

@jmrplens

Thx, depends on the template in use. In my case it is some unformatted word, which requieres a lot of rework. Thankfully, someone from SciFlow already contacted me to let me know that their support team will give me a hand, I will write them this week, hopefully there is a solution (and that might fit well with my current workflow). Nevertheless, I got to know some very interesting ideas and solutions here!

@schlittenhardtm @academicchatter @phdlife @phdstudents @obsidianmd @pandoc

My own toolbox these days is almost completely #Emacs based. I manage my bibliography in Ebib, keep notes using #Org-roam (which is quite similar to #Obsidian), and do the majority of my writing in #orgmode (which is similar to Markdown but more powerful). Org can export to many formats quite well, including ODT, DocX, PDF, LaTeX, HTML and more.

@thriveth 👍 And if all else fails, ie if there's no native exporter available for a target format, then pandoc and/or ox-pandoc can be used. 

@thriveth @academicchatter @phdlife @phdstudents @obsidianmd @pandoc

Just yesterday I read about the power of orgmode, I am not sure if I will work my way in, but now it sounds easier then I thought.

@schlittenhardtm @academicchatter @phdlife @phdstudents @obsidianmd @pandoc

Two things that are good to know about org: 1) You can start simple and add complexity at your own pace. 2) It is probably good to have a use case for it. I didn't start until I had a case where it was a clear advantage over other solutions. Otherwise the learning curve would not have seemed worth it.

@schlittenhardtm
Can you speak with your supervisors about *why* they want .docx files? There's a chance it's because of Track Changes, and that if you could provide this another way (sciflow premium, I think?) they'd be happy. Personally I'd avoid getting into converting bits of your doc every time you show something to them : it's going to add up to a lot of hassle over the years, especially if imperfect conversion; weigh against the extra hassle of just using word or LibreOffice.
@simon_on_energy I talked with them about it, they just are used to use word and add their corrections and remarks there and sent it back via mail. One supervisor was kind of open for having a look on SciFlow but I think it never happened, both kept on using docx. I will have a look if sciflow support might have a solution...
@schlittenhardtm please feel free to reach out to SciFlow support to better understand what you need for your thesis - we do support Pandoc Markdown as well as various DocX exports out of the box.
@frederik thx! I'll contact the support during the week! Would be awesome to find a solution within SciFlow.
@schlittenhardtm @academicchatter @phdlife @phdstudents @obsidianmd @pandoc I use a bookdown workflow: compose in markdown with VScode; citations from Zotero; back-up, version control, and project management with GitHub; export to docx, pdf, epub, html…with RStudio (pandoc in the bg)…my supervisor also wants Werd files or GDoc links for synchronous editing and revision. Happy to chat!

@cmadland @schlittenhardtm @academicchatter @phdlife @phdstudents @obsidianmd @pandoc

I also use a #Markdown-based workflow with #Zotero and the #BetterBibTeX add-on, which generates stable BibTeX keys and allows for automated export of bibliographies whenever something changes in Zotero. This way, I can use Markdown with the common #Pandoc syntax for citations.

I mostly compose in #Scrivener and export everything to Markdown at the end of the day. The Markdown is kept in #git repositories for version control and I use #Pandoc for conversion to any format publishers, colleagues, etc. might want.

This sounds like a great workflow! I've been trying to work out how to combine Zotero, Markdown and Scrivener without success so far. Do you compose without references in Scrivener first and then link them using Zotero once you've exported to Markdown?
@tillgrallert @schlittenhardtm @academicchatter @phdlife @phdstudents @obsidianmd @pandoc I tried scrivener for a while, but couldn’t get into a groove. Export troubles, Zotero troubles. Composing in markdown directly has worked for me. Markdown and Git is magic sauce!

@cmadland

I definitely need to look into the whole RStudio / @pandoc bookdown / thesisdown thing & git version control - sounds so interesting, but also like a big learning curve.

@schlittenhardtm @academicchatter @phdlife @phdstudents

I've been writing #LaTeX files using #VSCode:

- Split my chapters into multiple files. Helpful for #git (manage progress between desktop & laptop) & general file management
- #Mendeley for citations. Easy web extension for saving refs & exporting to a .bib file
- #vim keybindings in VS Code for speedy text editing

I finally have a good setup with LaTeX & I'm happy to make a template to share on GitHub if anyone is interested!

@gus @schlittenhardtm @academicchatter @phdlife @phdstudents

It's also possible to use that with a markdown input using the markdown #TeXLaTeX package. https://ctan.org/pkg/markdown

I am bit more used to writing LaTeX than pandoc templates. But I always found it simpler to adjust formatting directly instead of indirectly using the pandoc templates.

Editing then is also possible using some git server web editor in case collaboration with others who don't know LaTeX or git is required.

CTAN: Package markdown