@mmullins @timnitGebru that only works if those modersting have challanged their inner racist, their inner colonialist.

@mmullins @timnitGebru this is fascinating to me bc I keep seeing variations on this response in these conversations. This harassment isn't coming from Nazis, who are already mostly walled off, it's coming from "well meaning" white liberals & leftists who are lecturing PoC about the "rules" here. It's respectability politics & "polite" racism, not screaming slurs.

@maxwell These are not especially racist users from some few servers who need to be ousted. Those are common users across the whole fediverse who probably think they're doing well.

@tw @timnitGebru That seems like a cop out. People pee and poo anywhere by default. We learn not to do that. If racism is a default (I quesion that) it seems like a thing one can unlearn.

@tw @timnitGebru they're not. Look at young kids in the park. They're not racist. Racism is learned behaviour

@derek @timnitGebru blocking should be bidirectional, agreed. It isn’t enough to say “I don’t want to see your content” it should be “I control who sees my content” as well. I thought that this was EXACTLY the ethos that @Gargron and the #fediverse was trying to cultivate. If that’s not true, that’s a problem.

@AskASwiss this is the fucking worst reply. why are you here

@AskASwiss @timnitGebru I've had to move instances due to racist harassment. Still finds me anyway. It's a systemic problem that can't be solved with individual tactics.

@elplatt These are not especially racist users from some few servers who need to be ousted. Those are common users across the whole fediverse who probably think they're doing well.

@rasha I’m here trying to see if we can have some sort of space we can build given Twitter’s trajectory. I anticipate that I’ll stay for a while and try to figure stuff out. Disappointing to see all these accounts although not surprised.

@rasha @timnitGebru this would not be a problem if there were more instances that de-federated with instances that tolerate racism, the accounts of those people are often from users that jump onto radical free speech types of instances and are met with the unrestricted access to nazis on the internet, unlike bird site you can actually moderate these things here, twitter is by design always worse at dealing with this, problem is most people just sit on the sideline and complain about their instance admins instead of spinning their own instance up and moderating a space that can cater to them

the solution is unironically just direct action, make an instance, defederate all racist tolerating or even dogwhistle or microagression tolerating instances and you'll quickly have a really great space for POC

I'm trans and I don't really care as much about random harassment because I have very thick skin from being in tech, but I know from that perspective a lot of “no transphobia” instances fail to pic up on more subtle harassment, I also see this with racist stuff all the time, and the solution is to just have a instance with the goal of 0 tolerance for it and an admin that can pick up on it and reacts to it boldly.

a lot of instances like that actually already exist, but people don't use them because there are fewer users, but meh msg too long already

twitter is certainly not more safe, being able to defederate the terfs instances in one swing of the ban hammer here has made my life a lot nicer

also safety should ideally come from opsec not just platform, although that might not be feasable for many artists that to RL events

@HumanityExists @Gargron These are not especially racist users from some few servers who need to be ousted. Those are common users across the whole fediverse who probably think they're doing well.

@tealcows These are not especially racist users from some few servers who need to be ousted. Those are common users across the whole fediverse who probably think they're doing well.