🍉 –Hans Bot– 🙃Mar 9, 2025
Still think that H2 Fuel cell, or worse, H2 ICE cars is going to happen before long? Here’s one more piece of evidence that your reality is seriously distorted. #H2EV #H2FC #Hydrogen #EnergyTransition
“The 22 filling stations operated by H2 Mobility were all built for passengers cars only and therefore ‘no longer meet today’s technical and economic requirements’”
https://www.hydrogeninsight.com/transport/more-than-a-quarter-of-germany-s-hydrogen-refuelling-stations-will-be-permanently-closed-by-the-end-of-june/2-1-1787648
More than a quarter of Germany’s hydrogen refuelling stations will be permanently closed by the end of June

The 22 filling stations operated by H2 Mobility were all built for passengers cars only and therefore ‘no longer meet today’s technical and economic requirements’

hydrogeninsight.com
John StonierJul 25, 2023

Of course the oil refinery capital of Canada buys #H2FC cars, for their airport fleet (campus daily mileage negligible?). #greenwash

https://electricautonomy.ca/2023/07/19/edmonton-airport-toyota-mirai-fuel-cell-vehicles/

Edmonton International Airport orders 100 Mirai fuel cell vehicles

Deployment of the Toyota FCEVs to include the airport's own fleet as well as taxi, car rental and municipal fleets in airport ecosystem

Electric Autonomy Canada
Show threadJohn StonierJul 19, 2023

@Hypx @Salty As to when:

… they can take rare metal catalysts out of fuel stacks? ,,, #H2FC stack maintenance is zero, as #BEV #batteries are over their lifetime (measured in decades)? … hydrogen distribution and pricing is equivalent to the electricity grid? … when they can store #hydrogen safely at high densities at ambient temperature and pressure? … when the production of #H2FC vehicles rises above 100’s per year?

Yes, of course then.

John StonierJul 18, 2023

@Salty @Hypx the leading use case for H2FC is large #trucks that operate against GVWR where the trade-off is more payload each trip for less battery weight. Cement & dump trucks, for instance. Shorthaul aircraft might be another application, including wherever heating is required, as that’s 50% of the output of fuel cells.

Agreed, in LDV there is no cost effective use case. But what will come first, buildout of the #H2FC vehicle supply chain, or better #batteries?

Show threadJohn StonierJul 18, 2023

@Hypx I studied business opportunities in #H2FC vehicles (MHD) a couple of years ago, based on the weight savings of H2 systems over battery weight for large trucks and buses. H2 has some advantages, especially in cold climates, because of heat cogen.

However the conclusion was that the cost of H2, efficiently diastributed (straight from production plant) was about the equivalent cost of diesel fuels.

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🍉 –Hans Bot– 🙃Mar 12, 2023
I hate anything resembling a holy war, especially when the enemy is a third party – case in point the greenhouse gas emitters on our roads. I also value sound reasoning firmly stated in facts. If I had money to invest today, my bet would not be on #h2fc https://www.rechargenews.com/energy-transition/hydrogen-council-resorts-to-warped-logic-and-dubious-assumptions-to-make-the-case-for-h2-cars/2-1-1090424
'Hydrogen Council resorts to warped logic and dubious assumptions to make the case for H2 cars'

The fossil-fuel-led lobby group says that fuel-cell electric vehicles should take a 10% share of the global car market by 2050

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