Mostly Monday Reads: I come to Bury CBS, Not to Praise It
âHow can we tire from all this winning?â John Buss, @repeat1968
Good Day, Sky Dancers!
60 Minutes premiered on September 24th, 1968, with Harry Reasoner and Mike Wallace. I was barely a teenager when it premiered, but even then, I was growing into fully all the fringed suede and tattered blue jeans I could find with my guitar set filled with the likes of Dylan and Crosby, Stills, Nash, and Young. However, I realized that I was watching something Iâd watched for a very long time. Next year, I would buy that Woodstock Guitar strap and cut my first real studio audition. My best friend and I recorded a cover of âOne Tin Soldier,â which was requested by Billy Jack for his second movie. Music and the News were the only things that got me through the banality of my life at that point. (Omaha, UGH!)
I spent my entire childhood watching and reading the news with my Dad, through the Civil Rights Movement, the Vietnam War, and all those crazy times in the 1960s. It was a pivotal moment that led me to become the social justice activist I am today. Reasoner described 60 Minutes as a type of News Magazine, and we had just about all of them that went from our house to the customer service area of my Dadâs small Ford Dealership in a small town in Iowa. It was difficult to get the Washington Post during Watergate, but 60 Minutes was there in living color.
I havenât really watched in a long time because so much has gone missing. Ever since I got my first newspaper subscription to the Manchester Guardian in High School, I have to say it was part of my education, right through to Graduate School. Now, during the time when I have ever been the least sanguine about our countryâs future, I can only say RIP 60 Minutes. These are indeed bleak times. The U.S. Media has a grand old tradition dating back to Benjamin Franklin. It has lost its way to the same evil it sought to expose during World Wars and other events. It has a history of struggle between the powerful entities that seek to control the narrative and the writers who research and reveal the truth. In the age of Techbros and MAGA, Crypto and Virtual Cash, we see a barren landscape destroyed by greed.
Iâll start with the offending program, then offer some perspectives from a number of folks who used to have a place on TV news and are now relegated to the New Deal Blogosphere. I should mention that during that same period of becoming who I am, I wrote for both an underground Newspaper (The Aardvark) and two school newspapers. This blog is an extension of those of us who became very interested again in discussing the news during Dubyaâs adventures in the Middle East and the hope we had of simply seeing a woman become president.
This is from CBS News, the former home of everyoneâs Uncle Walter, and my personal favorite, Edward Bradley, who always showed up for the New Orleans Jazz Fest, sat with me in monitor world to hear his beloved jazz after Iâd put all the microphones in their proper places and dealt with the talent. He always remembered to ask about my daughters by name. It hurts that the overseers used a woman to do this. âRead the full transcript of Norah OâDonnellâs interview with President Trump here.â
Editorâs note: On October 31, 2025, correspondent Norah OâDonnell spoke with President Donald J. Trump at Mar-a-Lago in Palm Beach, FL, and this is a transcript of that conversation. They started by discussing the presidentâs recent meeting with Chinaâs President Xi Jinping.
PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP: Well, first of all, we get along great, and we always really have. We had the COVID moment, which was notâ attractive as far as I was concerned. I wasnât so happy. But outside of that, we have always had a great relationship. Heâs a powerful man. Heâs a strong man, a very powerful leader.
Andâ weâve alwaysâ had the best of relationships, probably the best ofâ I couldâ I think I could speak for him, just about as good as it gets from his standpoint and from my standpoint. And having that is important because of the power of the two countries.
NORAH OâDONNELL: What did you get out of this deal that you wanted?
PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP: Well, I got sort of everything that we wanted. We gotâ no rare earth threat. Thatâs gone, completely gone. We have tremendous amounts ofâ dollars pouring inâ âcause we haveâ very big tariffs, almost 50%. We never had anything in terms of tariffs, although I put tariffs on China, but Biden let it lapsed by theâ by the fact that he gave exemptions on almost everything, which was just ridiculous.
By this time, the fact-checking shouldâve begun, and some good old-fashioned interrupting with follow-up questions. It went on with none. Instead, we got mealy-mouthed clarifications.
Butâ we haveâ billions and billions of dollars coming in, and we have a very good relationship. I mean, we haveâ a great relationship with a powerful country. And Iâve always felt if we can make deals that are good, itâs better to get along with China than not, if you canât make the right kind of a deal than not, because, you know, China, along with many other countries (theyâre not alone in this), theyâve ripped us off from day one.
Theyâve ripped us so much. Theyâve taken trillions of dollars out of our country. And now theyâreâ itâs the opposite. I mean, weâre doing very well with China, and hopefully theyâre gonna do very well with us. But I do think itâs important that China and the U.S. get along, and we get along very well at the top.
NORAH OâDONNELL: This trade war, though, was hurting Americans. I mean, our soybean farmers. China had stopped buying the soybeans.
PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP: Yeah.
NORAH OâDONNELL: As you mentioned, they wereâ China was withholding these rare earth materials that you need for everything from smartphones toâ to build submarines.
PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP: Sure.
NORAH OâDONNELL: Whatâ what was the crucial thing? I mean, how tough of a negotiatiorâ
PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP: Well, when you say hurtingâ
NORAH OâDONNELL: âis President Xiâ
PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP: âit was a temporary hurt. It was a hurt becauseâ I was takinâ in a lot of money from China. Weâre doing very well against China. And all of a sudden they said, âYou know, we have to fight back.â And so they used their powers. The power they have is rare earth because of the fact that theyâve been accumulating it andâ and really taking care of it for a period of 25, 30 years.
Other countries havenât. Now we are. I mean, we have tremendous rare earth, and itâs going to beâ you know, itâs going to beâ itâll be a strength, but it wonât really be a strength if everybody has it. Everyoneâs gonna have it pretty soon.
`I would call this full-throated propaganda allowed air time for way too long. Hereâs another example before I start telling Norah thereâs something brown growing on her nose. Itâs further on down the page. Iâm just glad I didnât watch it.
PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP: I think in two years, weâll start opening up plants and weâll have a very substantial portion of the chip market. Right now we have almost none. We should have had a hundred percent. If we had parâ if we had presidents that knew anything about business or knew what they were doing, because, frankly, they didnât.
We lost 50% of our automobile business. Itâs all coming back. We lost a hundred percent of the chipâ you know, it used to be all Intel and other companies. And what happened is other countries came in, and they stole our chip business, and we didnât charge tariffs.
If we would have charged letâs say a 100% tariff, none of those companies would have left. But they all left. Now theyâre all coming back, Norah, because the only way they avoid the tariffs is to build in our country. If they build in our country, make their plant and make their product in our country, then itâs a very simple thing. Theyâ they donât have any tariff to pay.
NORAH OâDONNELL: Uh-huh.
Well, sheâs certainly not an heir to the Murrow Boys. Like so many, Medhi Hassan left a big desk on a 4-letter network because someone saw him as being a bit too much of a journalist and one of color. He has his own spot out here on his own website.
Itâs similar to the choice of my first Newspaper: The Manchester Guardian, which I still read daily as The Guardian. His site, named Zeteo, can be found on Substack on the web, alongside other banished reporters and what used to be known as âPublic Intellectualsâ rather than influencers. Todayâs offering is â Factchecking Trump on â60 Minutesâ.â Heâs taken the place of the major legacy newspapers. The lede is divine. â60 Minutesâ of Shame and Submission.â
Having watched the whole â60 Minutesâ interview and read the entire transcript, too, I genuinely canât decide what was worse: Trumpâs endlessly dishonest answers or OâDonnellâs non-stop softball questions.
I kid you not, here is a short selection of some of the questions this award-winning, highly-paid, veteran news anchor chose to ask the most powerful man on Earth in her limited time with him:
- âHave some of these [ICE] raids gone too far?â
- âWhoâs tougher to deal with, Vladimir Putin or Xi Jinping?â
- âWhy wonât Putin end this war?
- âDo you worry about an AI bubble?â
- âWhat do you hope to accomplish in the next three years?â
Ooooohh! Tough stuff! The new owner of CBS, David Ellison, and the new head of CBS News, Bari Weiss, must both be so proud. This is the kind of âbalancedâ coverage Iâm sure they were waiting for. Then again, to be fair to them, OâDonnell has a long history of softball interviewing that predates the recent takeover of her network by a MAGA billionaire. Remember her love-in with Saudi crown prince MBS in 2018?
But this isnât just about OâDonnell or CBS. The â60 Minutesâ interview with Trump showcased everything that is wrong with US political interviews in general. The deferential tone. The lack of preparation. The failure to ask follow-up questions or dig deep into an intervieweeâs answers. The inability (unwillingness?) to fact-check in real time.
At one point, Trump asked OâDonnell whether she knew âhow many presidents have used the Insurrection Act,â to which the CBS anchor simply responded: âTell me.â Trump then proceeded to lie about the proportion (âAlmost 50% of âem,â he said, when the real proportion is 38%) and the absolute number (âsome of the presidents, recent ones, have used it 28 times,â he said, when the most was actually only six times, and back in the 1870s).
But OâDonnell said nothing. She just moved on.
There were so many falsehoods and half-truths, and so little pushback, that after a while, I gave up. I stopped counting. Hereâs what I did manage to catch, in terms of brazen lies, all of which were left unrebutted, uncorrected, unchallenged, by OâDonnell:
- âWe had nine wars on our planet. I solved eight of âem.â I have debunked this nonsensical claim before.
- âWe have no inflation.â Inflation is at 3%.
- âItâs at 2%. Itâsâ itâs the perfect inflation.â Inflation is at 3%.
- âRight now [grocery prices are] going down.â Grocery prices are up 1.4% since Trump came to office.
- âA year ago, we were a dead country.â Not only did the US have the fastest-growing economy in the G7 in both 2023 and 2024, but the Economist magazine called it âthe envy of the world.â
- â11,888 murderers were let into our country.â Not only is this number inaccurate, but many of the non-citizens convicted of homicide either here or abroad came in during Trumpâs first term.
- âWashington, DC, was⊠almost like a crime capital of the world.â In 2023, per PolitiFact, âat least 49 other cities in the world had higher homicide rates.
- â[Biden] hardly went anywhere. Guy couldnât leave his bedroom.â Not only did Joe Biden visit roughly as many countries in his term of office as Trump did in his first term, but Biden was the first US president to visit an active warzone â Ukraine â not under the control of US forces.
- âI made Middle East peace. For 3,000 years, they couldnât do it.â There is no peace in Palestine, no peace deal in place, and it isnât a 3,000-year-old conflict.
- âCommunist, not socialist. Communist. Heâs far worse than a socialist.â Zohran Mamdani is not a communist.
- âI canât give them $1.5 trillion so that they can give welfare to people that came into our country illegally.â The Trump/GOP claim that Democrats want to give free healthcare to undocumented immigrants has been repeatedly debunked.
- âThey emptied their mental institutions and their insane asylumsâ into the United States of America.â Asylum seekers donât come from âinsane asylums.â Obviously.
- âOne thing I can tell you, the 2020 election was rigged.â It wasnât. The courts agreed.
- âAnd a lotta people say when itâs rigged youâre allowed to do it again.â A lot of people donât say this. The US Constitution doesnât, for sure.
Please read it. The next section lists the questions OâDonnell should have asked as a follow-up. I will say that I believe Mehdiâs follow-up questions in every interview Iâve watched him do are stellar. He points out exaggerations and falsehoods, zeroes in on exactly what the issue with the response is, and just delivers it deliciously. Iâm a Fan grrrl. And me, the teenage girl who had to sneak her friend Cathie into the Journalism workspace so she could lust after Kurt Anderson to keep her from going on about him all lunchtime long.
CNN had a more traditional take on said Interview by Daniel Dale. âFact check: 18 false claims Trump made on â60 Minutesâ.â
Trump told his usual lie that the free and fair 2020 election was stolen from him. He lied again that grocery prices âare downâ even after CBSâ Norah OâDonnell informed him they are up. He declared once more that there is now âno inflation,â though there certainly is, and then that inflation is 2% or âeven less than 2%,â though the most recent available Consumer Price Index figure is now up to 3%.
The president also deployed multiple other fictional numbers during his exchanges with OâDonnell, which were recorded Friday and released by CBS on Sunday.
And Trump made a variety of additional false claims on several subjects, including the government shutdown, the artificial intelligence boom, tariffs, his first impeachment and his former legal battle with â60 Minutesâ itself.
I really wonder how many people besides you and me actually read this stuff and bring it up in normal conversation. I know that the MAGATs will never read or hear it. I saved the best for last. This is from my precious Guardian reporting about the heavy-handed editing given to this latest 60 Minutes interview with Trump. Quelle Suprise, yâall! âCBS News heavily edits Trump 60 Minutes interview, cutting boast network âpaid me a lotta moneyâ. Trump said Paramountâs sale to David and Larry Ellison was âgreatest thing thatâs happened in a long timeâ for free press.â This is reported by Jeremy Barr.
The CBS News program 60 Minutes heavily edited down an interview with Donald Trump that aired on Sunday night, his first sit-down with the show in five years.
Trump sat down with correspondent Norah OâDonnell for 90 minutes, but only about 28 minutes were broadcast. A full transcript of the interview was later published, along with a 73-minute-long extended version online.
The edits are notable because, exactly one year before Trump was interviewed by OâDonnell at his Mar-a-Lago resort on Friday he had sued CBS over the editing of a 60 Minutes interview with then-Vice President Kamala Harris, which he alleged had been deceptively edited to help her chances in the presidential election.
While many legal experts widely dismissed the lawsuit as âmeritlessâ and unlikely to hold up under the first amendment, CBS settled with Trump for $16m in July. As part of the settlement, the network had agreed that it would release transcripts of future interviews of presidential candidates.
At the beginning of Sundayâs show, OâDonnell reminded viewers that Paramount settled Trumpâs lawsuit, but noted that âthe settlement did not include an apology or admission of wrongdoingâ.
During the interview, in a clip that did not air on the broadcast, Trump needled CBS over the settlement and repeated his claims against the network.
âActually 60 Minutes paid me a lotta money. And you donât have to put this on, because I donât wanna embarrass you, and Iâm sure youâre not,â Trump said. âBut 60 Minutes was forced to pay me a lot of money because they took her answer out that was so bad, it was election-changing, two nights before the election. And they put a new answer in. And they paid me a lot of money for that. You canât have fake news. Youâve gotta have legit news. And I think that itâs happening.â
During another un-aired portion of the interview, Trump praised the sale of CBS to the Ellison family and said the networkâs new editor-in-chief, Bari Weiss, was a âgreat new leaderâ.
The US president said he didnât know Weiss, but told OâDonnell: âI hear sheâs a great person.
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âAnd thatâs the way it is.â Can you believe he signed off when I was getting my first graduate degree? Wow! Iâm old!
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