My comment (10.04.2024) on https://scirate.com/arxiv/2302.12209

A. V. Nenashev, S. D. Baranovskii

"How to detect the spacetime curvature without rulers and clocks"

(1) Nenashev and Baranovskii introduce an innovative and relevant notion; they even give it a unique name : "#WellStitchedness" of (conformally flat) #Spacetime.
It would be suitable and helpful to advertise this important new notion already in the abstract of the article.

(2) Problematic but easy to correct is their frequent referral to individual participants ("Alice", or "Bob", etc.) having seen several distinct signal indications "simultaneously", although they mean that the participant under consider had seen those signals "together", a.k.a. "in coincidence", or "in the same moment". (The characterization as "simultaneous" has very specific different meaning, especially in the context of the theory of #Relativity, of course.)

(3) The specific set of 16 #CausalRelations (being fulfilled) between 8 (suitable #Events), as it appears in the definition of a well-stitched spacetime, in the particular variant sketched in Fig. 1d, also appears (multiple times) in the elementary cell of "#TetrahedralOctahedral #PingCoincidenceLattices" (and therefore also in the elementary cell of "#OctetTruss #PCLs"); in the projection to 3D Euclidean space (namely; in tetrahedral-octahedral honeycombs, or in octet truss space frames) recognizable as regular octahedra.

The main result ("A 4-dimensional spacetime is conformally flat if and only if it is well-stitched.") is therefore also and especially relevant for defining, exclusively in terms of causal relations, notions of "#InertialFrame" and "#Ruler" and "#Clock" in conformally flat spacetime regions.

How to detect the spacetime curvature without rulers and clocks

We demonstrate how one can distinguish a curved 4-dimensional spacetime from a flat one, when it is possible, relying only on the causality relations between events. It is known that it is possible only for spacetimes that are not conformally flat. We prove that if a spacetime is not conformally flat, then its non-flatness can be verified by only a few (sixteen) measurements of causal relations. Therefore the results of this paper clarify what can be said about flatness or non-flatness of the spacetime after a finite number of measurements of causal relations.

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Heads-up! to https://arxiv.org/abs/2302.12209
"How to detect the spacetime curvature without rulers and #Clocks"
(A. V. Nenashev, S. D. Baranovskii)

-- which investigates the question (p. 2)
"Is it possible to figure out that a spacetime [region] is curved [instead conformally flat] by testing #CausalRelations only ?"

-- and provides proof of a positive answer through a criterion in terms of causal relations among any set of eight #events (#StitchConfiguration).

Closely related is the question
"Is it possible to figure out whether two (or more) participants are sitting still wrt. each other in a flat region (or whatever is equivalent in a conformally flat region) by testing causal relations only ?",

(referring to the notion of #InertialFrame in the sense of W. Rindler as "set of point particles sitting still wrt. each other"; cmp. http://www.scholarpedia.org/article/Special_relativity:_kinematics),

-- which is presumably solved by #tetrahedral-octahedral #PingCoincidenceLattices, closely related to #OctetTruss #PingCoincidenceLattices; see e.g. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tetrahedral-octahedral_honeycomb and https://www.google.com/search?q=%22octet+truss%22&tbm=isch&prmd=ivnbz

-- and where, notably, eight events in one particular variant of the #StitchConfiguration do indeed occur as integral part of those mentioned #PingCoincidenceLattices (namely, not surprisingly, depicted as #Octahedra in the familiar drawings of the corresponding "plain 3D" lattices).

#Relativity #Spacetime

How to detect the spacetime curvature without rulers and clocks

We demonstrate how one can distinguish a curved 4-dimensional spacetime from a flat one, when it is possible, relying only on the causality relations between events. It is known that it is possible only for spacetimes that are not conformally flat. We prove that if a spacetime is not conformally flat, then its non-flatness can be verified by only a few (sixteen) measurements of causal relations. Therefore the results of this paper clarify what can be said about flatness or non-flatness of the spacetime after a finite number of measurements of causal relations.

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@ocfnash
http://olivernash.org/2018/07/08/poring-over-poncelet/index.html

Awesome!
I'd love to find out about #Poncelet generalizations or related results in 3+1 dimensional flat #MinkowskiSpace, with

- all relevant edges along light cones (Are those "singular" and perhaps problematic, even in 3+1 D ?), and

- the \(n\)-sided polygon generalized to a #PingCoincidenceLattice (cmp. my sketch https://mathstodon.xyz/@MisterRelativity/109435130217990848 )

#SpaceTime #InertialFrame #geometry #relativity

Poring over Poncelet

@heafnerj
Joe Heafner wrote:
> <em> [...] concept of #InertialFrame in [... the ST] of #relativity https://arxiv.org/abs/2103.15570 </em>

So ... author Boris Čulina, who

- doesn't even acknowledge a distinction of "good #clock" vs. "bad #clock" (cmp. MTW, Fig. 1.9),

- much less #HowTo define + measure such a distinction by [#CoincidenceDeterminations](http://einsteinpapers.press.princeton.edu/vol6-trans/165?highlightText=coincidences),

is nevertheless https://arxiv.org/auth/show-endorsers/2103.15570 ?!? ...

Well, therefore, we have #mastodon

An analysis of the concept of inertial frame in classical physics and special theory of relativity

The concept of inertial frame of reference in classical physics and special theory of relativity is analysed. It has been shown that this fundamental concept of physics is not clear enough. A definition of inertial frame of reference is proposed which expresses its key inherent property. The definition is operational and powerful. Many other properties of inertial frames follow from the definition, or it makes them plausible. In particular, the definition shows why physical laws obey space and time symmetries and the principle of relativity, it resolves the problem of clock synchronization and the role of light in it, as well as the problem of the geometry of inertial frames.

arXiv.org