@StormyDragon You ask:

what is protecting those users from the numerous unknown instances that are already here from doing whatever it is Meta is going to do?

Batshit. Insane. Gobs. Of. Wealth.

Facebook is scale at scales the mind simply boggles at.

  • 3 billion monthly average users (MAU).

  • 5 billion items posted per day. That's about 60,000 per second.

  • A market capitalisation (after a couple of bad years, I'll add), of three quarters of a trillion dollars.

Compared to its home state of California, that's a wealth of $19,000 per person in the state which Facebook can leverage to do its bidding. Facebook bought WhatsApp, then making a loss on $10m in sales, for $19 billion, largely cash. Keep in mind that the typical US household would struggle to meet an unexpected $400 expense. Facebook's price was more than $400 per resident of California, which is to say, Facebook's buying power is comparable to that of the wealthiest state in the United States.

Yes, there are threats that small instances may pose to the Fediverse. Yes, there are privacy and surveillance issues I've long been aware of and have warned against, as have others (see @alex particularly, who ... has greater pedigree than I do in this space). But those instances don't have access to Facebook's resources, combined with Facebook's nearly-twenty-year record of abusing its dumb fucks, excuse me, users, and violating condition after condition after condition regulators have imposed upon it.

#Facebook #Meta #Metablock #ItsTheMotherfuckingScaleStupid #Scale #FuckZuck #FuckFacebook #P92 #Project92 #BarcelonaProject

@jadedfox

#meta could be a threat for the #fediverse

With the codename #project92 or #barcelona , #meta launches a new project soon and nobody could care less than people who already freed themselves from big corps, but rumors exist that it might use the #activitypub protocol, which would make it a part of the fediverse.

Over night, one of the biggest data collectors on this planet, will own the biggest fediverse instance and will have access to a lot of data, which wasn't collected before, because not many people used the fediverse. But after Elon Musk showed his real face after taking over #twitter and the many problems on #reddit , a lot of people are leaving conventional platforms of multi-(m/b)illion-dollar companies and use tools from the fediverse. This is new, because in general, people would just go to another big corp and nothing changes.

This time the people are going to a place, which is controlled by the people. There are instances and every instance has it's own code of conduct. A place where no multi-(m/b)illion-dollar company can make money (yet) or is in control of anything.

History showed, that big corps could harm or destroy #foss (free and open source software), where the maintainers had ethical values, like Firefox trying to be privacy friendly. Since #google (#alphabet) made huge donations to #mozilla the browser is privacy invasive and it took years until a fork was able to remove all of it to make it a privacy friendly browser again.

In the 1990s, Microsoft had a strategy called "embrace, extend and exterminate" (#doctorwho reference not intended) to destroy competitors.

It could look like this:

- Embrace: Develop software compatible with the fediverse
- Extend: Add features to the world biggest instance which is not supported by other instances (e.g. closed source, pay wall)
- Exterminate: All other instances are worthless if federation doesn't work anymore with the biggest instance after an update

The code of #mastodon and other fediverse tools could be changed, so that smaller or even all other instances could be excluded, it couldn't be solved by a single fork this time, because we would need a fediverse 2.0 so all the forks can communicate with each other again, after removing shitty code hindering federation.

Another problem might be to convince people to leave the "invected fediverse 1.0" (which became a centralized platform) and come to "fediverse 2.0" (which is like the fediverse once was), because it's already hard enough to tell them to leave #whatsapp (or similar software) for a better alternative. Imagine they already left the bad thing, but then we tell them to leave the current system, too. I am not a pessimist, but at this point the big corp might win.

We could be strong and ban metas instance on any free instance, which is still able to make their own decisions. This could trigger the third huge wave of people willing to use something new (and free, like in free speech) or we could act like it's a friendly act of a big corp, which doesn't have financial interest at all and it's just cool to be connected with more people and everything will be fine. No offense, but this sounds really naive, because the wet dream of big corps is a totalitarian system, where they are in control of everything, watching every step of every person and not living in a free and democratic world where the people are in control of their own lives.

Big corps influence elections, the party you are voting and whole countries. Don't underestimate them and don't think their actions are good.

We should hope that the maintainers of mastodon and other fediverse tools (or activitiypub in general) are not capitalists, who throw away their values, and the reason why they started those projects, over board for money. But there is a lot of money to make, so the pile of money will be huge and it will be hard to say no.

The #fedipact isn't strict enough imho. The fediverse is like emails. If you want your emails not be scanned/slaughtered and your data sold to shady people/companies, you better not write important stuff to people who own a #gmail #hotmail #outlook #gmx #yahoo etc. address. With the fediverse it's a little bit different. Even the instances which aren't owned by meta could be a threat, because there is an access to the federated data. Instances that do not block meta should be blocked, too.

If you think I am polemic, please think about why a multi-(m/b)illion-dollar company wants to join the fediverse? Are they afraid of something, if yes, we shouldn't come closer, because powerful predators will attack if they are afraid. If the big corp is not afraid, the only other way is that they might slaughter the fediverse to get control and get richer.

In short: We build something very fragile like a sand castle and meta will be the bully destroying it.

The solution: Block meta as soon as their domains are known.

Addition: There are even rumors that admins of huge instances are getting paid to not block, but even advertise metas instance and they had to sign an #nda

#fediblock #blockmeta #metablock #facebook #p92 #barcelonaproject #fedipact #fediblockmeta #threads

@finner There was a long-standing false trope about free software development that conflated the potential for anybody to contribute to the code with anybody can contribute to a codebase.

The licence permits redistribution, modification, and by extension, forking. The project administrator however exercises control over what goes into their branch of the project. As Linus Torvalds has often said, his main job (for a few decades now) has been to say "No". As in "no, that patch is not entering the kernel*.

This gets more complicated when a single large entity can control and direct both development and specification. The capacity to empty dumpsters full of cash on developers to do what you tell them to do ... is an effective mechanism for control over a project, and if you happen to own a money-minting machine (Google, Facebook, Amazon, Oracle, IBM), then you're going to have an outsized influence on development. Indeed we've seen Linux affected in this way to an extent, Chrome (and with it the HTML/CSS/JS specs) immensely by Google, and various communications protocols by numerous entities (chat, email, voice, social media, video).

In the case of ActivityPub and the Fediverse, I see two main concerns:

  • FB swamping the cultural dynamic and information flows. Even conservatively FB are at least 1,000x larger than the present Fediverse, and I suspect that's an underestimation.

  • FB hijacking aspects of the protocol and clients themselves. There are plenty of extant examples of this, and it might be possible even without malicious intent. Mastodon has (/me checks Github...) 830 contributors, and I'd suspect that a power-law distribution holds, with a small fraction of those dominating. FB have > 58k employees, and even if only 10% of that is engineering, that's approaching 10x Mastodon's development team. Keep in mind that non-engineer contributors can also provide useful roles (PMs, QA, etc., etc.)

The fact that both the comms protocol and the development licence are open in no way whatsover compels other Fediverse instances, or the Mastodon project itself, to accept traffic or code from FB. And the harms which might come from doing so, based on historical precedent, are huge.

#meta #metablock #project92 #p92 #barcelonaproject #facebook #mastodon #fediverse #FreeSoftware

Mark Zuckerberg goes in for the kill as Elon Musk’s Twitter bleeds ad dollars

At a gathering of Meta staff last week, Chris Cox, one of Mark Zuckerberg’s most trusted lieutenants, unveiled what he called “our response to Twitter”.

The product chief showed off what has internally been codenamed “Project 92”, or in some iterations “Barcelona”: a prototype app that the Facebook-developer hopes will finally kill its rival.

The app is expected to be called Threads and screenshots suggest it will feature a continuous scroll of text like Twitter with buttons similar to the Like and Retweet functions, according to technology news site The Verge. ...

I'm presuming that this is the core initiative behind recently-disclosed NDA'd meetings of some Fediverse admins & devs and Facebook.

Edit: Markup.

#Facebook #Project92 #Barcelona #BarcelonaProject #Meta #MetaBlock #FediBlockMeta #FediPact #MarkZuckerberg #Zuckerberg

Was für eune Coup für #P92: tausende von freien Inhalten die an IG User zugespielt werden.

Wir generieren im Fediverse Inhalte und Meta kommerzialisiert diese in dem sie an ihre Nutzer dann Werbung ausspielen.

Und noch mehr Follower für IG Influencer, die dann ihre Werbung hier verteilen können. Weil IG, wie auch Mastodon.social eine kritische Masse an Usern hat. Es wird schwer, das einfach zu deförderieren.

#HakenDran #BarcelonaProject