@jacob yes, and #OpenWashing is a real issue not just with #AssholeLicensing as seen with #Redis & others using #SSPL as a literal #AssholeLicense which are just "#SourceAvailable" instead of #OpenSource, but actual #donations.and #contributions.
@xeraa @fuchsiii @puniko @linux_mclinuxface Case in point, #SSPL is an #AssholeLicense even more than #AGPLv3 because it's sole purpose is to commit #AssetDenial against #commercial users & #hosters.
It's worse than #GPLv3 because that one is lunacy in terms of #IP and espechally #Patents because it's solely ideologically motivated, but yeah...
IMHO everything under SSPL is #UnfreeSoftware in that it's #license terms are worse than a #SourceAvailable license as used by #Tarsnap because they are at least honest about the why...
I really hope not just #GAFAMs like #Amazon with #aws forked the pre-#Enshittification versions under #BSD and start publishing and maintaining these.
#Redis, like #Elastic and #MongoDB have chosen to kick everyone in the groin out of pettyness against commercial hosters, and I hope @Mastodon & @MastodonEngineering as well as @Gargron work hard to replace Redis with a real #FLOSS alternative like #RabbitMQ or even hetter, allow disabling a caching-DB in lieu of helping setup a #Ramdisk with a #PostgreSQL cache-DB on it.
@Elucidating it's not either.
#AGPLv3 is also an #AssholeLicense but not in a discriminatory fashion against #commercial use by any #competitior...
@Elucidating because the #SSPL discriminates against #commercial use and demands absurd overrech beyond the #Software in question.
IMHO it's an #AssholeLicense!
@Elucidating Personally, that's not the point either...
To me #SSPL is just an #AssholeLicense because it's not a proper #SourceAvailable like #Tarsnap where it's like: "See, no #backdoors in here - you are in control!" which is at least honest, but rather was introduced in a #backstab move...
Because if I were #Amazon or any of the #GAFAMs I'd just #fork the last #BSD-licensed version and pay someone to maintain that thing instead of ever contributing code to the original ever...
Cuz that's just how #OpenSource works...
#Redis basically loaded themselves a Glock 18, set it on full auto, aimed at their own feet and will soon complain that they're bleeding all over the floor in a metaphorical sense...
I mean, we know that's exactly what's going to happen, because everyone I know who uses Redis anywhere is going to get angry at that shit because they're not legally able to comply with the SSPL for numerous reasons I can't even talk about and will now scramble to find a drop-in replacement under new maintainers who keep code under a * #PermissiveLicense * without any strings attached...
Pretty shure almost all #ActivityPub software is going through this now...
I'm surprised noone has realized this yet ...
https://github.com/mastodon/mastodon/issues/28514
@Elucidating I think that while #Redis can choose to switch to an #AssholeLicense like #SSPL - because that's their right to do so, I think this will hurt them more than it'll force #GAFAMs like #Amazon [#aws] to #pay them...
Because at that license they might just choose #CCBYNCSA + #commercial or go directly just with commercial + #SourceAvailable like #Tarsnap ...
#Copyleft doesn't work in terms of getting people to #contribute...
@Yuki @smallcircles as illuded by @landley, #GPLv3 is just toxic and I'd consider it just legally less evil than #AssholeLicense|s like #AGPLv3 & #SSPL, cuz they are worse than #CCBYNCND and #CCBYNCSA for many cases...
And yes, I solely used #GPLv3 and #CCBYNCSA as a form of #AssetDenial in case someone points at my GitHub - I know that!
@[email protected] I sincerely hope everyone's gonna fork #Redis before they changed to #AssholeLicensing with the #SSPL which is a #NonFree #AssholeLicense. This is worse than #Copyleft but just blatant *Asset Denial* because *"We WaNt AmAzOn To PaY uS!" kinda bs... If you want to make money with #FLOSS, provide some good product and make it attractive to #donate and/or #buy some support. As a matter of fact, @[email protected] did try to *crowbar* #GPLv2 [or rather started it]¹ with #BusyBox and that failed miserably, because now everyone knows BusyBox as the litigatious² folks that one should just not use code from. There's a reason I chose #0BSD ³ for @OS1337 and it's because I most of the work I do is build and repackage #toybox + #musl / #Linux and I want people to use it as a *friendly licensed* foundation for their *#IoT* and *#embedded* projects down the line. And that means that I'll also accept contributions on the same license and not expect devs to sign away code under worse terms so I can turn it into #UnfreeSoftware the way Redis and others did... ¹ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MkJkyMuBm3g&t=1607s ² https://www.busybox.net/license.html ³ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BSD_licenses#0-clause_license_(%22BSD_Zero_Clause_License%22) ⁴ https://github.com/OS-1337/OS1337/blob/main/LICENSE.md
@Yuki I sincerely hope everyone's gonna fork #Redis before they changed to #AssholeLicensing with the #SSPL which is a #NonFree #AssholeLicense.
This is worse than #Copyleft but just blatant Asset Denial because *"We WaNt AmAzOn To PaY uS!" kinda bs...
If you want to make money with #FLOSS, provide some good product and make it attractive to #donate and/or #buy some support.
As a matter of fact, @landley did try to crowbar #GPLv2 [or rather started it]¹ with #BusyBox and that failed miserably, because now everyone knows BusyBox as the litigatious² folks that one should just not use code from.
There's a reason I chose #0BSD ³ for @OS1337 and it's because I most of the work I do is build and repackage #toybox + #musl / #Linux and I want people to use it as a friendly licensed foundation for their #IoT and #embedded projects down the line.
And that means that I'll also accept contributions on the same license and not expect devs to sign away code under worse terms so I can turn it into #UnfreeSoftware the way Redis and others did...
¹ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MkJkyMuBm3g&t=1607s
² https://www.busybox.net/license.html
³ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BSD_licenses#0-clause_license_(%22BSD_Zero_Clause_License%22)
⁴ https://github.com/OS-1337/OS1337/blob/main/LICENSE.md
Kevin Karhan 
