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ennui. far too much more info at link below
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Apologies to its residents, I know the schools are great or whatever, and the road surfaces aren't quite as shit yet, but Plano is truly a horrible place

This morning's headphones sounds for troubled mindbodies

https://damienjurado.bandcamp.com/album/the-monster-who-hated-pennsylvania-3

Using https://github.com/ravachol/kew to listen to local music files and I like it. It is starting to feel like horrible UIs (because of capitalism, not bad UI designers) are going to drive a fresh crop of Unix philosophy style apps. I sought out a terminal music player after hating every GUI option I could find.

"Just stick around 'til the light pushes into the darkness"

The Monster Who Hated Pennsylvania, by Damien Jurado

10 track album

Damien Jurado

"LinkedIn CEO Ryan Roslansky tells Bloomberg that users aren't very interested in the platform's AI-powered writing assistant for posts.

His theory is that LinkedIn users don’t want to share content that is clearly AI-generated."

maybe. but also possible they hate the LinkedIn UI and use something else to write their posts and that something else could be maybe ChatGPT, I guess we'll never know

https://www.pcmag.com/news/linkedins-ai-writing-tool-isnt-as-popular-as-it-thought-it-would-be

My to-do list is now a historical document of things I once thought I had the energy for.
Allowing myself to feel hopeful tonight for approximately 5 minutes as a little treat
If you ever doubt American cultural hegemony, just remember: the entire English-speaking internet is currently live-commenting a New York City mayoral primary like it’s the moon landing.
Zohran Mamdani leads NYC Democratic mayoral primary, Andrew Cuomo concedes

Zohran Mamdani has declared victory in New York City’s Democratic mayoral primary after Andrew Cuomo conceded the race in a stunning upset. The race’s ultimate outcome will still be decided by a ranked choice count. But Mamdani was in a commanding position after polls closed Tuesday night. The 33-year-old democratic socialist was virtually unknown outside of political circles a year ago. Cuomo was trying to make a comeback from a sexual harassment scandal. He told supporters that he had called Mamdani to congratulate him. He trailed Mamdani by a significant margin in the first choice ballots.

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ChatGPT Is Becoming A Religion

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Are you okay bro? You’re listening to a lot of acoustic covers lately
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@ubuntourist sounds exactly like my mom. 😵
@Thorn @ubuntourist there is real world socialism that is good and we should do more of that. And then there is a lot of toxic shit that comes down to Russians taking other peoples stuff that's also meddled up in this term. Your mom probably lived through some parts of the cold war where public knowledge was for most people that the Russians/Communists might come to take your stuff, down to the last loaf of bread. And Socialists in the west might be guilty of pretending that that stuff was cool
@ubuntourist NO! NO! That is Capitalism.
Socialism is when people of the wrong color get all that.
(To true for "\s" warning)

@ubuntourist Only that none of that has anything to do with socialism.

Socialism is if you celebrate the chance of working a third shift for the glory of the party, while the village idiot and former school bully celebrates at the top of mountain with his buddies holding opulent orgies.

And those who dare ask questions are considered dangerous counterrevolutionaries and get a visit from the secret police, spend years in jails, ge tortured, and are sometimes never seen again.

@greve
I think you might be trolling.

But what you're describing seems to relate to corruption, such as happens regularly in Russia, or the USA. Corruption can happen under any form of governance.

@ubuntourist

@iwein @ubuntourist

No, just speaking from experience and history.

Europe has all the things listed. But there isn't a single socialist country among them.

In fact, Eastern Europe had socialism. And crumbled under failing infrastructure, public service, and economy. I don't know anyone there eager to repeat the experience.

What you're looking for is typically referred to as Social Democracy / Social Market Economy / Ordoliberalism.

@greve @iwein @ubuntourist
In fact Europe experienced a lot of systems labeling themselves "socialist" but beeing in fact just variations of autocratic systems if not open dictatorships. Even the 3. Reich called itself "socialist" - so the self insert is no honest argument in a serious discussion.
But it has to be said, though, that the term has been ruined through propaganda.

@Nike_Leonhard @iwein @ubuntourist Quite a number of countries all over the world and with different cultural backgrounds tried out Socialism.

As far as I am aware, the end result has always been nepotism, corruption, dictatorship. Even if it started with the best of intentions: It turned into Animal Farm each time.

By this point in time it's a case of "Doing the same thing over and over again, expecting different outcomes..."

@greve @iwein @ubuntourist
Orwell was a socialist btw. Animal Farm is about stalinism.

And talking about same outcome ...
That's an invalid argument because looking at USA, Brazil, Hungary, Poland, Italy, Germany and so on, you could as well say the same about capitalism or liberalism.

@Nike_Leonhard @iwein @ubuntourist

Orwell, like many smart people of his time, had a phase where he was leaning towards Socialism. But in the 1950s his stance was probably more that of a pro-democracy, libertarian socialist.

Whataboutism isn't a great response when being prompted to come up with examples for when Socialism did not turn into nepotism and authoritarianism.

Yes, countries can fail with other systems, too. But available data indicates they are guaranteed to fail with Socialism.

@greve
You are confusing correlation and causality.
Again: Not all that labels itself "socialism" ist socialist as well as not all that labels itself "democratic" is a democracy. As a German you should know both, because we had two authoritan regimes: One from 1933 to 1848 that called itself socialism and one from 1949 to 1990 that called itself democratic.
Neither was.
And if you take a closer look in history then all systems are guaranteed to fail.
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@iwein @ubuntourist

@Nike_Leonhard @iwein @ubuntourist

Will agree that labels are tricky.

The GDR was in truth a GSR. And left a human, environmental and structural catastrophe.

And yes, there is an evolution of political systems, as well. Which is why it seems pointless to offfer ideas of the early 1900s as answers for 2050 forward.

Those answers may have had good points, but ultimately, they failed due to human nature. Plus, the world has gone forward, not back.

@Nike_Leonhard @iwein @ubuntourist

And yes Some countries fail.

It seems likely the US is going to be the next one on that list as they now lean heavily into the answers of the 1950s for the questions of 2050.

Other countries have worked rather well for centuries, including my chosen home, Switzerland.

It's far from perfect. But there is a culture of political engagement and debate from the ground up that has done very well - and has been defended by the population for a long time now.

@greve
Given that Switzerland was the last european country that gave votes to women, I can't state such a long democratic tradition. And now even your chosen home seems eager to change into a surveillance system.
And btw. your first post shows that you apply double standarts: You judge those countries that label themselves "socialistic" by the label and those that label themselves "democratic" by their substance.

@iwein @ubuntourist

@Nike_Leonhard @iwein @ubuntourist That's a very selective definition of democracy you've come up with for yourself.

By that standard, ancient greek democracy would not have been democratic. But still it is widely considered the cradle of democracy.

And FWIW, in Germany, women needed permission from their husbands to work until 1977, and were legally ordered to be subservient to their husbands until the 1950s.

Social and political systems evolve. As they must.

@Nike_Leonhard @iwein @ubuntourist

And yes, Switzerland was fairly late - because the process was handled by bottom up democratic decision not by decree from above.

It is sometimes a slow process, and sometimes tiring. But it leads to bottom up decision making that holds the powerful to account.

@greve
That a minority has a right to elect the leaders doesn't make a system democratic. Women were always half of the people and not only them but slaves also were excluded from civil rights an participation. So of course ancient greece cities weren't democratic. "Demos" means people and if you call a system democratic that denies more than half of it's people civil rights, than you don't understand democracy (or worse: you are a demagogue, but I don't hope so).

@iwein @ubuntourist

@greve @Nike_Leonhard @iwein Capitalism of late doesn't seem immune to nepotism, corruption, or dictatorship...

@ubuntourist
I don't see the logic and goal of the discussion, so I'd like to opt out.

This definition of socialism is where my brain checked out for the most part already tbh:

"Socialism is if you celebrate the chance of working a third shift for the glory of the party, while the village idiot and former school bully celebrates at the top of mountain with his buddies holding opulent orgies."

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@greve @Nike_Leonhard

@iwein @ubuntourist @Nike_Leonhard

Then you should have opted out at the beginning of this thread, when it was claimed that it is Socialism if there are functioning roads, postmen, fire stations, school lunches, universal healthcare and traffic lights that work...

To any German with history education that sounds a lot like "But at least Hitler built the Autobahn" - which isn't even correct, although he certainly took credit.

@ubuntourist @Nike_Leonhard @iwein

Whataboutism is conceding the argument.

Yes, unchecked power corrupts.

Which is why it is the role of the political system to establish checks and balances, and hold people accountable.

Thus far, liberal democracy has the best track record in that. But as anything involving humans, it isn't perfect.

Its biggest vulnerability is the requirement for an educated population willing to defend it against totalitarian leanings.

@ubuntourist That's all well and good, but stopping well before anything you could accurately call socialism.

What you're describing is just a run of the mill social democracy.

Socialism puts control of the means of production in the peoples' hands, not some bullshit CEOs who still run their companies like fucking monarchies.

inb4 "stocks make companies democratic": Shut it, that's oligarchy at best.