KateDec 22, 2016

Randomly 3: just fell into a chat on Twitter about ethical data. Several people pop in. Two other threads spring up. Busy, lively, quick.

Twitter has my network at capacity, but still I really find myself missing the space to think that this offers.

(@cogdog @mahabali @Patlockley @pdehaye in that one and here -- Venn diagram)

Show threadPatlockleyDec 22, 2016
@katebowles all the world's a stage and we are merely players. However, dear Bill, sometimes we wear borrowed robes, and those robes weigh on our shoulders but also trap our tongues. If I come with a tongue free of weight, I can share a purer knowledge, one as close as possible to what I know. Sans caveats, Sans noise
Show threadKateDec 22, 2016
@Patlockley What even. You're killing me.
Show threadPatlockleyDec 22, 2016
@katebowles you're the one who offered me more characters ;)
Show threadKateDec 22, 2016
@Patlockley I see now what an error this was! (@cogdog)
Show threadKate

@cogdog @Patlockley But to recap, over on Twitter you said "i don't think persay it is ideas, more i wonder how much we rely on not "paying it forward", and I didn't quite get this bit.

I think I do sort of get what you mean by "and if i'm not there, then 'views are my own' takes on a new level".

Dec 22, 2016 at 9:35pmWeb
Show threadPatlockleyDec 22, 2016
@katebowles ah ok - see twitter as i can't find tweet
Show threadPatlockleyDec 22, 2016
@katebowles when we trade ourselves - how do we offer a bit of ourselves for free - that's the pay it forward reference. And from that, logicallly it is hard to give your identity for free
Show threadKateDec 22, 2016

@Patlockley So it's interesting to be discussing this simultaneously here and on Twitter.

Here I am simply appreciative of the extra characters to think. There, we also have Mike in the conversation.

But you are you, and I am me, either way.

Show threadPatlockleyDec 22, 2016
@katebowles i'd say I am not, as twitter me and mastodon me have different publics and so i have different behaviours
Show threadKateDec 22, 2016

@Patlockley Yes, I see this now -- you're right. It's not some easy essential self wandering across platforms. It's self-for-purpose, in each place.

So this gets me thinking about how these different self-fashioning practices of identity work.

Do you have a sense of how you change?

Show threadPatlockleyDec 22, 2016
@katebowles here I can be a bit riskier as I have less people here I would leave the convo if they turned up
Perhaps less inhibited.
I rarely post on FB, only share, as it feels a lot more vain on FB
Show threadLaura Ritchie 🌸Dec 23, 2016
@Patlockley @katebowles FB is my students & random ppl from my past education experiences, Twitter is a sea of professionals to randoms - plankton to whales, & mastodon is the beginnings of a community. ..a bit like the Cheers themesong - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h-mi0r0LpXo not quite everybody, but still at least a few people know each other's names & that is definitely a reason I am willing to post & keeps me coming back. sense of giving for community benefit is strong for me here
Show threadPatlockleyDec 23, 2016
@lauraritchie @katebowles here is just ed tech friends. Almost just that. And i am weary of ed tech
Show threadKateDec 23, 2016

@Patlockley @lauraritchie I think perhaps how you met someone and what they are to you are different things. One is evolving, the other is the start point.

If we don't talk about edtech, are we edtech friends?

Show threadPatlockleyDec 23, 2016
@katebowles @lauraritchie back to identity and capital again. Sometimes tools have a second use i suppose
Show threadLaura Ritchie 🌸Dec 23, 2016

@Patlockley @katebowles I do ed and I do tech, but as for ed tech, anything I do is as a subversive.

I am so pleased you don't think of me as someone who 'does music & I certainly take the friends as a compliment. I love that here I don't 'know' most people in person, & so have very little preconceptions or expectations. Everything that evolves is a pleasant surprise

#IReallyAmLikeALittleKid constantly surprised #HortonFreire

Show threadKateDec 23, 2016

@lauraritchie @Patlockley Oh! I was just thinking of you as a person who plays the cello. Then I thought of @blamb because I learned more about his musicality thanks to you.

To me this evolving set of surprises is more fluid than a typical bio suggests. I love it too.

I also like mastodon's welcoming strangers. Especially appreciative of @Triplefox, @jk, @paralithode, @Gargron, @jeroensmeets.

Show threadChristina HendricksDec 24, 2016
@katebowles @lauraritchie @Patlockley @blamb @Triplefox @jk @paralithode @Gargron @jeroensmeets Double yes yes yes (that's a triple) to the kind welcoming from strangers here. One of the things I love about Mastodon.
Show threadPatlockleyDec 24, 2016
@clhendricksbc @katebowles @blamb @lauraritchie i guess i come here to check for notifications. Don't create a novo
Show threadChristina HendricksDec 26, 2016
@Patlockley @katebowles @blamb @lauraritchie Novo...hmmm...does that mean a new message, a new posting?
Show threadPatlockleyDec 26, 2016
@clhendricksbc @katebowles @blamb @lauraritchie here is mostly replies. Struck matches and so on
Show threadPatlockleyDec 23, 2016
@lauraritchie @katebowles i guess i compartmentalise a bit more as i have to 'sell myself' explicitly and so lack perhaps a pure social network.
Show threadChristina HendricksDec 24, 2016
@Patlockley @katebowles Me too. different publics and different behaviours. Sorry for jumping in. But an interesting point here.
Show threadPatlockleyDec 22, 2016
@katebowles note who I tagged out of the tweets for instance
Show threadKateDec 22, 2016

@Patlockley Back to this question. "When we trade ourselves" -- I'm wary that in tech we insistently define volunteer labour as trade of self. What if this is community labour? Like community gardening?

What if we still need room for metaphors for giving time for free, knowing someone else could profit, and being OK with this?

Show threadKateDec 22, 2016

@Patlockley Is it about choosing a level of comfort with whoever might profit from your freely given time?

I'm simultaneously gifting time to mastodon and Twitter in this thread. I'm also giving time (joyfully) to talking with you. Our shared time is benefiting Twitter and in some sense mastodon.

My hunch is that I have an ethical preference, without purity.

Show threadKateDec 22, 2016

@Patlockley But one big difference: the time gifted to Twitter is in front of a bigger crowd.

Ideas have the chance to move faster and further, but the trade-off there is that they have to be tiny, portable, bits of thoughts.

Horses, courses.

Show threadPatlockleyDec 22, 2016
@katebowles pretty much, I choose where to scatter my seeds. Stony ground no good for me
Show threadPatlockleyDec 22, 2016
@katebowles i can see a kibbutz like attitude as one thing, but managing commons are hard as soon as people choose to join at different times (Blackstone and so on)
Show threadKateDec 22, 2016

@Patlockley So the question for thinkability: can we get beyond "the good of A is discounted by the but of B".

This is I think where we sometimes get stuck. Our own experience silences us. We tried things. They didn't work. Because things. And then.

And yet somehow can we also learn from experience?

(sidenote: I am half way through watching Westworld. The dilemmas of memory, experience, learning, refusing.)

Show threadPatlockleyDec 22, 2016
@katebowles i think identity is a shackle. The masked ball again