KateDec 22, 2016

Randomly 3: just fell into a chat on Twitter about ethical data. Several people pop in. Two other threads spring up. Busy, lively, quick.

Twitter has my network at capacity, but still I really find myself missing the space to think that this offers.

(@cogdog @mahabali @Patlockley @pdehaye in that one and here -- Venn diagram)

Show threadPatlockleyDec 22, 2016
@katebowles all the world's a stage and we are merely players. However, dear Bill, sometimes we wear borrowed robes, and those robes weigh on our shoulders but also trap our tongues. If I come with a tongue free of weight, I can share a purer knowledge, one as close as possible to what I know. Sans caveats, Sans noise
Show threadKateDec 22, 2016
@Patlockley What even. You're killing me.
Show threadPatlockleyDec 22, 2016
@katebowles you're the one who offered me more characters ;)
Show threadKateDec 22, 2016
@Patlockley I see now what an error this was! (@cogdog)
Show threadKateDec 22, 2016

@cogdog @Patlockley But to recap, over on Twitter you said "i don't think persay it is ideas, more i wonder how much we rely on not "paying it forward", and I didn't quite get this bit.

I think I do sort of get what you mean by "and if i'm not there, then 'views are my own' takes on a new level".

Show threadPatlockleyDec 22, 2016
@katebowles when we trade ourselves - how do we offer a bit of ourselves for free - that's the pay it forward reference. And from that, logicallly it is hard to give your identity for free
Show threadKateDec 22, 2016

@Patlockley Back to this question. "When we trade ourselves" -- I'm wary that in tech we insistently define volunteer labour as trade of self. What if this is community labour? Like community gardening?

What if we still need room for metaphors for giving time for free, knowing someone else could profit, and being OK with this?

Show threadPatlockleyDec 22, 2016
@katebowles i can see a kibbutz like attitude as one thing, but managing commons are hard as soon as people choose to join at different times (Blackstone and so on)
Show threadKateDec 22, 2016

@Patlockley So the question for thinkability: can we get beyond "the good of A is discounted by the but of B".

This is I think where we sometimes get stuck. Our own experience silences us. We tried things. They didn't work. Because things. And then.

And yet somehow can we also learn from experience?

(sidenote: I am half way through watching Westworld. The dilemmas of memory, experience, learning, refusing.)

Show threadPatlockley
@katebowles i think identity is a shackle. The masked ball again
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