KateDec 22, 2016

Randomly 3: just fell into a chat on Twitter about ethical data. Several people pop in. Two other threads spring up. Busy, lively, quick.

Twitter has my network at capacity, but still I really find myself missing the space to think that this offers.

(@cogdog @mahabali @Patlockley @pdehaye in that one and here -- Venn diagram)

Show threadPatlockleyDec 22, 2016
@katebowles all the world's a stage and we are merely players. However, dear Bill, sometimes we wear borrowed robes, and those robes weigh on our shoulders but also trap our tongues. If I come with a tongue free of weight, I can share a purer knowledge, one as close as possible to what I know. Sans caveats, Sans noise
Show threadKateDec 22, 2016
@Patlockley What even. You're killing me.
Show threadPatlockleyDec 22, 2016
@katebowles you're the one who offered me more characters ;)
Show threadKateDec 22, 2016
@Patlockley I see now what an error this was! (@cogdog)
Show threadKateDec 22, 2016

@cogdog @Patlockley But to recap, over on Twitter you said "i don't think persay it is ideas, more i wonder how much we rely on not "paying it forward", and I didn't quite get this bit.

I think I do sort of get what you mean by "and if i'm not there, then 'views are my own' takes on a new level".

Show threadPatlockleyDec 22, 2016
@katebowles when we trade ourselves - how do we offer a bit of ourselves for free - that's the pay it forward reference. And from that, logicallly it is hard to give your identity for free
Show threadKateDec 22, 2016

@Patlockley Back to this question. "When we trade ourselves" -- I'm wary that in tech we insistently define volunteer labour as trade of self. What if this is community labour? Like community gardening?

What if we still need room for metaphors for giving time for free, knowing someone else could profit, and being OK with this?

Show threadKateDec 22, 2016

@Patlockley Is it about choosing a level of comfort with whoever might profit from your freely given time?

I'm simultaneously gifting time to mastodon and Twitter in this thread. I'm also giving time (joyfully) to talking with you. Our shared time is benefiting Twitter and in some sense mastodon.

My hunch is that I have an ethical preference, without purity.

Show threadKate

@Patlockley But one big difference: the time gifted to Twitter is in front of a bigger crowd.

Ideas have the chance to move faster and further, but the trade-off there is that they have to be tiny, portable, bits of thoughts.

Horses, courses.

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