Robin DeRosaKind of confused about how I feel. On the one hand, I am pretty actively looking to extricate myself from Twitter and FB (long game), so wanting replacement platforms that do many of the same things, since I use and depend on Twitter and FB on many levels. On the other hand, I'm also keen to find out what this place can be if it isn't built according to prior or prescripted architectures (especially ones that have so many fatal flaws). Just mulling.
Laura Ritchie 🌸@actualham I dream of connection and communication - not replacement. For me, there is function in each platform (not sure I use them all well, but they are different). I crave connection and communication - intellectual and creative stimulus, & as I am the only one who does what I do at my uni, like-minded ppl are few & far between. Diversity inspires me & finding ppl willing to engage is a challenge. That's what I hope for here. A considered conversational playground, different to broadcast
Kate@lauraritchie @actualham I've been popping back to Twitter from here (after initially popping back to here from Twitter), and realise I can see the difference clearly. Twitter is news radio for me, sometimes delivered by friends and fellow travellers. This is a conversation.
I am the least diligent person I know, and yet I keep coming back here.
@katebowles @actualham and it's different to commenting on a blog post- I was wondering about that... If I write a blog post I post it to FB, Twitter, & G+, but would I post it here? I think I might, but not to broadcast a topic, but with a genuine purpose for people to either enter into a conversation here or there. I would share, though, if there was a considered reason.
Is it about politeness and respect for people here? I think of posting to people & not to ether
Christina Hendricks@lauraritchie @katebowles @actualham I have same sense: on Twitter I just post all kinds of stuff to all kinds of people. Here I don't feel that's right. It feels more intimate, and I'm having trouble thinking of what to "say" outside convos like this, to the people that are here that would be interesting/useful to them.
@clhendricksbc @actualham @lauraritchie I think for me the problem was partly solved by selecting to stay out of the public timeline.
Maha Bali مها بالي@katebowles @actualham @lauraritchie @clhendricksbc i already have generally more deep conversation HERE than on twitter. I am shocked that i remember to check into my phone browser here w/o notifications. That is so unlike me. It is possible i am on Twitter as often as usual but becoz it is routine/seamless. I am here more intentionally and that interests me a lot. It might be the particular ppl and convos, here, now. Temporary or prophetic? #SNoOO
@mahabali @actualham @lauraritchie @clhendricksbc This shocks me too -- that I come here without prompts, and despite having a complicated way of navigating in on mobile. I think it's the people we came in with, the space to talk and think, and the surprise dimension of the people we found here.
More and more I think forming our own federated instance will work. But that's real labour and cost for someone.
And the shared socio-ethical labour of figuring out how to sustain that thing.
@katebowles @actualham @lauraritchie @clhendricksbc i know Reclaim are looking into it and @daniellynds so two federated options. Because they are people I trust, that appeals to me as one direction. Increasingly, I thinking of its potential as federated instances for events. So you could keep ur mastodon.social account or create a new one in new space. Vs for example Twitter - if u don't have it u cannot participate. Or Slack - closed. The federation allows for a half-open door
@mahabali @actualham @lauraritchie @clhendricksbc @daniellynds I'm more in favour of a community instance and event pop-up rooms. This (rooms) is in the dev conversation.
@katebowles @daniellynds @actualham @lauraritchie @clhendricksbc yeah i remember the convo on rooms vs instances earlier but forgot now. I understood it fleetingly while in a work meeting but obvs wasn't focused enough. Remind me again?
@mahabali @daniellynds @actualham @lauraritchie @clhendricksbc It's @Triplefox who has the idea, there's a link.
james@katebowles @mahabali @daniellynds @actualham @lauraritchie @clhendricksbc this post kicked it off i think https://mastodon.social/users/Triplefox/updates/250511
@katebowles @mahabali @daniellynds @actualham @lauraritchie @clhendricksbc and then the proposal itself that i made is here https://github.com/Gargron/mastodon/issues/236
@Triplefox @katebowles @daniellynds @actualham @lauraritchie @clhendricksbc so i love the idea of the rooms and was wondering same thing as one of the comments. Rooms would be different from hashtags or Twitter lists, I assume, in the sense of possibilities of public/private/invitation? And would show on desktop as separate columns?
@mahabali @katebowles @daniellynds @actualham @lauraritchie @clhendricksbc yes, it's the ability to manage the rooms - both on the user and administrative end - that makes them special. A list or hashtag is less structured and doesn't necessarily have an opt-out.
@Triplefox @mahabali @daniellynds @actualham @lauraritchie @clhendricksbc A lot of this to me goes back to earlier cultures of e.g. channels and newsgroups, that has partly been refreshed by workplace collaboration tools like Slack. I think we're looking for the option of opening a pop-up conversation without either having to make a whole new community OR having to close off a private space.
Staying open to others feels really important, except where privacy is critical to safety.
@katebowles @mahabali @daniellynds @actualham @lauraritchie @clhendricksbc yes. it's some kind of mix of low friction entry and easy discovery and moderation, carefully considering everyone's incentives.
The reason why the moderated discussion persists is because it can act quickly, and the moderator bears implict obligation to spin up the discussion in an engaging way. However, left to their own devices users will choose a single venue and stay there forever.
@Triplefox @mahabali @daniellynds @actualham @lauraritchie @clhendricksbc A question for me: what enables the labour of moderation or dev work? What makes it possible to have or find the time?
In so many other sectors we're seeing volunteer work dry up as paid overwork takes up all human time. Where does this time to build or care for community come from? (This is about @Gargron's guitar: opportunity cost.)
@katebowles @Gargron @mahabali @daniellynds @actualham @lauraritchie @clhendricksbc that doesn't change the need to have active leadership, but in the same way that having zines or email made it more feasible to build community, i believe we can continue to find leveraging designs in the future, ones that exploit stigmergic qualities of community. (Heather Marsh has a whole book on this, Binding Chaos.)
At preseng we have a lot of systems that try to use voting and rating with unhumane results.