“According to Russian military bloggers, the average life expectancy of a new recruit—from arrival at a training ground to death in a combat zone—lies somewhere between 10 days and three weeks. Once they are sent onto the battlefield, Russian fighters survive an average of 20 to 35 minutes.”
https://foreignpolicy.com/2026/06/25/russia-ukraine-war-putin-escalation-nato-europe/
Europe and the US have deliberately let Russia bleed money and arms, at the expense of Ukrainians.
I didn’t move responsibility.
You’ve probably noticed Putin isn’t so keen to stop. Someone has to stop him. Other wealthy and powerful nations could have stopped him before now, but chose to let Russia bleed first. I disagree with this choice.
@kentparkstreet1
Sorry if i mussunderstood.
It would have been nice, but how? He had and has his claws so deep in western states, cheap gas was flowing. Yes, more weapons earlier would have been nice, yes, sanctions after 2014 would have helped. But i don't see a realistic way of stopping him earlier. Sadly.
@davidaugust
We could have armed Ukraine fully and immediately. It suited other countries to let the war run longer by limiting arms and loans.
It’s worked, Russia is now in deep poo, but it’s worth noting this is at the expense of Ukrainian lives.
@kentparkstreet1 @Jagermo you may be right.
Though it is worth noting that at first the western world was not sending weapons in 2022 because they believed russia would prevail, and sending weapons for russia to capture seemed unproductive.
The west truly did not imagine we could end up where we are now.
In any debrief, that error is worth examining.
Many years of Ukrainian death since then.
The only reason I can see for the ongoing weakness from the west is the long term plan of letting Russia bleed out. China is also enjoying the opportunity to unofficially annex some territory.
@kentparkstreet1 @Jagermo for the United State’s part, the American failure to supply Ukraine more fully in the last 18 months is the American administration’s plan of autohegemonicide: potus is diminishing the United States in all areas. This plan is in full swing.
While this has and does damage many others and throughly imperil decades of security for most of humanity, this potus seems more prone to bolstering putin than working against him.
If someone has a recording of the Helsinki Trump/Putin meeting, now is the time to produce it.
@kentparkstreet1 @davidaugust @Jagermo
I want, I would like if someone has a link, the public video of the meeting. Weirdest damn behaviour I've ever seen. But I can't find video.
@jguillaumes @kentparkstreet1 @Jagermo
Let's be clear on what "closing the airspace" functionally actually is.
NATO cannot "close the airspace" anywhere without political and military will to engage in all domain warfare (land, sea, air, space, cyber) to enforce such a thing.
Perhaps you are meaning to suggest NATO fully kinetically engaging russia in 2022 was best option (arguments can be made for and against), but let's be clear: that's what "closing Ukrainian airpspace" would have meant.
@jguillaumes @kentparkstreet1 @Jagermo I figured you were. And NATO ground forces ready and pre-deployed to retrieve any downed air crews as well.
Just want it to be clear the scale of what such a commitment would have been. To not just you and me but anyone reading along too.
@kentparkstreet1
> Putin isn’t so keen to stop.
> let Russia bleed
I applause this choice. Every year of bleeding Russia now adds some five years gap to their next scheduled attack on the West. Possibly shifting their planned WW3 to the end of the century. The west is remembering now who ignited the ww2. Germany's Hitler with his Russian ally Stalin.
But it’s at the expense of Ukrainian lives.
@kentparkstreet1
> at the expense of Ukrainian lives
The article below shows how Russia’s rule over the nations it had conquered always end.
Look up also:
Circassian genocide (~2m), genocide of the Cossacks (~500k), Kazakh famine (~3m), Blacklisting of villages (~2m), Great Purge (~1.2m). Then look up list of indigenous nations erased off the USSR map. Does those dozens of millions count for you? Or you just are disguising "Russian soldier lives" under the "expense of Ukrainian lives".
I would like you to notice, that it is Russia assaulting neighbors. Always.
PS. the only treaty that Russia has ever honored in its relatively short history was the pact with Hitler to invade Poland in 1939. They can be said to "honored it" only because Hitler attack had beaten them to it by two weeks.
This is the worst of academic wankery. Whatabouting mass murder.
@kentparkstreet1
> This is the worst
What you did suggesting Ukraine should surrender 'because of lives lost' or that West must stop support 'because of lives lost' is straight out of the Russian propaganda now peddled by the bought by Russia enablers West "media".
What I gave you to consider is not "what about", it was to enlighten you about the true nature of the Russian _state_. Ukraine surrendering to Russia inevitably would entail _massive_ killings and the erasure of the concquered nation culture. The remaining population would be used a a cannon fodder in attack on the next European country.
Russia modus operandi have had not changed for centuries. Even in 2014 they quickly started cleansing the Crimea off the Crimean Tatars, the native nation, that was an autonomous region of the Ukraine where Tatar expats returned and self-governed. The same they did in the 18th century. Then in 19th, then in 20th. I do not care whether you are aparatchik working for the tsar, or you was sold on their propaganda. What matters is the Russian propaganda was passed on.
Fortunately the West's military is now mentally ready to retaliate at the minute Putin decides to take his rusty nukes out. The French and UK ones now are ready to fly back.
@Jagermo notable that @kentparkstreet1 never suggested Ukraine surrender. So, @ohir, it seems you're in a conversation with someone who isn't in this thread.
Odd, but I guess if you feel the need to lay into people in agreement with you, you will alienate allies and I suppose that's your aim here.
Odd choice.
@divVerent it only counts if you live to spend it 😈
@davidaugust Still banging the drum of ”be very afraid of Russia”, the press I mean.
And sure. I live next door. It’s a formidable sized entity and world power.
But it’s always been weaker than it seems. It’s corruption and the adventures of it’s complaining snowflake yet obedient people are a steady source of laughs of Eastern Europe, now free of it’s imperialism.
It stumbles on still, and a bear can fall on you, but it’s still falling.
@davidaugust Horrendous, yet I spot glee in the reactions. Over a million killed now - many forced into the Russian army. Lured into it by recruiters spinning lies about other work. People from Botswana, Uganda, South Africa and Kenya duped by recuiters from “Russian Houses”; conscripts and forced laborers from North Korea and Russia. People, not “orcs”, or “vermin”, or “subhumans”.
As noted many times, the dictators and oligarchs are the same everywhere. As are the people they send into meat grinders to further their interest. I find no joy in these horrors.
@js I’m not seeing a lot of joy in the replies, so much as relief that the aggression russia has chosen is not bearing them fruit, and instead gives them loses too.
Maybe I am being optimistic, but I don’t see a lot of people rejoicing at the loss of life, but instead the celestial order of a bully paying a price.
@davidaugust we’re not seeing the same thing, and that’s good. I hope you’re right.
Sic semper tyrannis all the way yay, but I don’t see the bully paying the price. His victims, however…
Reminds me of the life expectancy for a first looey in Vietnam.
It was kind of a joke. They got fragged pretty much instantly as soon as the firefight started.
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"Once they are sent onto the battlefield, Russian fighters survive an average of 20 to 35 minutes.”
I take lunch longer than that.
@davidaugust
“According to Russian military bloggers, the average life expectancy of a new recruit—from arrival at a training ground to death in a combat zone—lies somewhere between 10 days and three weeks.
Once they are sent onto the battlefield, Russian fighters survive an average of 20 to 35 minutes.”
The really shocking part is that Pootin Lavrov and others are spending about 45% of Russian state income to destroy both Ukraine and the prosperity and reputation of Russia.
Fucking Morons
@davidaugust @Kerplunk
Hum... It's also totally untrue.
Nobody dies at this rate in this war.
Neither the Ukrainians nor the Russians.
This article is a piece of pure propaganda by an US neoconservative outlet.
War propaganda, *on ALL sides*, is allways build on lies upon lies upon lies.
And it's an iron rule that this propaganda must become increasingly detached from reality—or even from sheer credibility.
And it's not a good idea to help spread it... 😒
Anyway, have a nice Day. 😇
@davidaugust @Kerplunk
Well...
Anyone who claims to need “evidence” and “citations” to acknowledge that war propaganda is always false is either very naive or very dishonest...
I don't think you're really that naive.
And that concludes our discussion.
Have a good evening (by european time standard).
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