Europe had at least 30 years to prepare for this (if I’m generous), really it’s more like 50+.

Politics, leaders and society failed.

Like in Austria (where I’m from) they’re not closing schools despite it reaching up to 40°C indoors because they don’t have any law for this case.

Torturing children and teachers instead of finally acknowledging that there’s an ongoing deadly emergency.

Pretending that everything is fine instead of finally acting to protect life.

A true boiling frog experiment.

You know what everyone had plenty of time for?

Blaming immigrants and people fleeing wars and poverty for everything.

And when the time comes for water and food rationing people will elect more right-wing charlatans who promise that these problems don’t exist and/or are all the fault of “other” people.

If people don’t change and finally stick together to really work on this emergency, I don’t see a bright future for Europe.

@thomasfuchs
or, umm, anywhere else (waves hands around)
@thomasfuchs As Europeans we need to work together, but also stop carrying all the blames and weight. For each time a European country close a coal power plant there's also USA bombing hundreds of oil fields in the Middle East and stop the construction of solar and wind projects. Is like a kid trying to empty a river with a bucket! Frustrating.
@thomasfuchs And now Starmer finally managed to cut immigration, and... temperature is still rising! Something can't be wrong with this theory.
@thomasfuchs
There's always time for scapegoating
@thomasfuchs speaking of that part, have you signed this petition please ? #Austria is still very far to reach the target number of signatures...
Unterschreibt und teilt die Petition um dem illegalen Handelsabkommen zwischen der EU und Israel ein Ende zu setzen.
Es ist eine offizielle Petition, ihr brauch nur 10 Sekunden und die Staatsbürgerschaft eines EU Staates. https://eci.ec.europa.eu/055/public/#/screen/home

@thomasfuchs oh but they have done something

They have created huge apparatuses to monitor and control large numbers of people.

Harsh judicial policies for "climate terrorists" and means to gather "immigrants" to camps.

They can keep going for a long time.

@thomasfuchs there'll be a lot of hand wringing how old people die in the heat and some people may grudgingly admit that maybe, just maybe climate change could be loosely related to whatever is going on, but as it cools in autumn all of this will be largely forgotten... and we'll be doomed to repeat the whole thing next year
@kwramm perhaps but this will very soon start to affect agriculture and possibly there will be water rationing, it’s going to get to a point where people won’t be able to ignore it
@thomasfuchs @kwramm I think you under estimate how committed people are to affirming their biases. There are a notable number of people who claimed COVID was a hoax as their O2 sat was so low they were barely conscious, hours before dying.
@theeclecticdyslexic @thomasfuchs nah, not my worldview. People can change their minds when presented with information. It's things like greed or social embarrassment why they stick with the lie. Tons of Brexiteers knew this thing is wrong, and lots admit it now. A few will say "it's implemented wrong". People aren't that stupid. But they're easily misled and/or selfish.

@kwramm @thomasfuchs I think it's partly embarrassment, but I think it's also a coping mechanism.

Many people would prefer to believe they had no hand in any of this. Believing such requires they believe they have no hand in fixing it though. Admitting otherwise, given the culture of individualism, places them as the "bad guy" in their narrative.

There is a pretty straight forward mapping from the various climate change related obstructionist positions to the Kübler-Ross stages of grief, IMO.

@thomasfuchs once this happens we're fucked anyway, I guess
@thomasfuchs At this point, it's criminal negligence.
@thomasfuchs This meme feels more accurate every day. (As I sit here in my air conditioned house.) :(
@thomasfuchs Hungary is terrible in many ways but the summer break and the winter break are just right. Summer break starts before the heat waves and ends right after the heatwaves, winter break lets us enjoy the holidays and the snow to their fullest.
@thomasfuchs complete lack of true leadership
@thomasfuchs please send some of the heat to Northern Norway.
Its been like 8 degrees and rain for weeks..
@Matta0b_ @thomasfuchs we had 25 in Estonia couple of days ago

@janantos @thomasfuchs 25 sounds wonderful!

Enjoy the summer heat. I envy the weather you’re having!

@thomasfuchs It must not be that desperate if green activists are still deadset against carbon capture startups. Get back with us when your care for the environment finally exceeds your need to extract a pound of flesh from big oil.

@Beggarmidas @thomasfuchs Have you looked at any results of carbon capture technology other than forests EDIT: and algae farms?

No results worth mentioning, it's mostly greenwashing. Quantitatively, carbon capture doesn't make sense, at least not more than stopping deforestation and using algae + kelp.

@cohentheblue @Beggarmidas @thomasfuchs This article from the Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists talks about what would be needed for significant direct air carbon capture, and it's not good:
https://thebulletin.org/2023/12/direct-air-capture-an-expensive-dangerous-distraction-from-real-climate-solutions/
Direct air capture: An expensive, dangerous distraction from real climate solutions

Separating carbon dioxide from air, while technically straightforward, is outrageously expensive.

Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists

@Beggarmidas @thomasfuchs

Carbon capture is a kiloton solution to a gigaton problem. Seperating CO2 at PPB levels is thermodynamicly a wasted effort. The amount of energy used is proportional to the degree of seperation your attempting to accomplish. Not a linear relationship, a power law relationship.

Which is why the ...accounts... pumping it as a downstream solution are either deceived, AI scripts, paid liars, or some combination. Get back to us when you learn how exponents work.

All the money that used to be invested into the human slave trade has moved into the petroleum extraction industry. It's now a global extra-judicial cabal. They knew for decades now that humanities transition away from carbon based energy poses an existential threat that must be met with any means necessary. They haven't been idle those decades and they have the money to buy or destroy anyone or anything that stands in their way.

The global slide into fascim. The Trump reich. Ukraine. Brexit. The sundering of the economic liberal world order. All of these are downstream consequences of that defacto monopoly being threatened with non-existence.

@OvertonDoors @thomasfuchs It still must be part of the solution. There's no avoiding it unless you're willing to wait thousands of years for the situation to self stabilize. The first entries into that space were basically fraudsters looking to cash in. They took EVERYONE for a ride. That was 2007. This is now. There is a whole SLEW of very bright people who are NOT fraudsters looking into a LOT of different solutions now.
Stop hunting for someone to blame.
Start hunting for solutions.
@Beggarmidas @OvertonDoors @thomasfuchs learn your physics bro...
@Birk_lab @OvertonDoors @thomasfuchs If that was directed at me, it's misplaced. I'm aware of the scale of the issue. Save your patronizing bullshit for the denialists.
Y'see. I know something BOTH of you don't. I knew the Kyoto accord was a farce. It didn't include a single fucking economist or civil engineer or energy sector expert or ANYONE to run feasibility calculations. It only included climatologists & environmental activists. Y'all shut out anyone capable of giving you a reality check.
@Birk_lab @OvertonDoors @thomasfuchs PS: This is me being as civil. You want to discuss particulars or have a counterpoint to make i'll leave the door open for it. But if you continue with this bullshit trying to bully or shame me into mindlessly agreeing with your knee jerk opinions...That civility will end. I'm not some uninformed yahoo. I've been closely monitoring the science now for thirty years. Hell, i helped GATHER some of the raw data. I do not appreciate the disrespect. Understood?
@Beggarmidas @thomasfuchs the solution is simple. Depose the fossil fuels industry. It's lobbyists. It's boards of directors. It's financers. It's sovereign wealth. Burn it like the joker did that mountain of cash. It's heroine and your proposing a national methidone clinic initiative to "save" us from the cartels.
@OvertonDoors @thomasfuchs ...aaaand that line of thinking has sure been delivering returns, hasn't it? Yeah. You don't care about the environment, so cut your bullshit. What you care about is vengeance. WTG demonstrating cleanly why so many people view environmentalists as lacking credibility. Call us back when you can get your priorities straight. Or don't. There's enough politically non-aligned talent onboard work towards solutions now that it'll get addressed whether you're involved or not.

@thomasfuchs Someones angry about having their arguments cut off at the legs. Look @Beggarmidas calling me names dosn't change the physics involved, or the impossibility of your projects making any difference. I say -your project- because it's clear this is something you have a personal financial stake in.

Compared to net fossil fuel consumption rates its not even a rounding error in a years CO2 production. Neither are 100 similar project nor 1,000 of them. It's feasible as a syn gas feedstock source, nothing else. So you project your anger, ok, again not my damage. The solution to global warming is to stop burning fossil fuels. Cope with what is, or not.

@thomasfuchs according to the media, it's actually fun and great weather! At least judging by the photographs of people enjoying the beach or eating icecream....
@delafin @thomasfuchs It's perfect growing weather in northern europe but I assume not so great on most agricultural land in western and southern europe. I imagine most fields don't have irrigation.
@cohentheblue but that requires having sown crops that thrive in this weather, doesn't it?

@zombiecide It's even a bit cold for the growing season in northern europe. Stuff that I grow and see growing seems to be doing ok.

Plenty of rain interspersed with sunny days.

@cohentheblue where I live, Northern Germany, there's plenty of fava beans but they don't expect the beans to ripen but harvest the entire plant to turn it into cow feed, because the growth period is not expected to be long and warm enough to grow pulses or starchy crops for direct human consumption that can compete with those from further South in quality or price :/

(I mean that's better than importing soy, but it's not like people didn't survive on the local crops until recently)

@zombiecide wot? I live further north with colder mean temperatures. Been growing fava beans for generations, they've always ripened. I mean it could be cow feed I guess but surely even slightly smaller beans bring in more money than growing beans for cow feed?

@zombiecide Also, from my experience, anything grown locally doesn't have that trademark odd aftertaste that store bought goods achieve, one way or the other.

Bought potatoes last year, had to peel them extra thick just to get rid of that weird taste - might have been fertilized with pig manure or something.

Frozen carrots? Might as well eat straw.

Store bought beans did seem fine but they definitely weren't produced "further south" than germany. I think they were latvian or lithuanian.

@cohentheblue saw some of the fields and grains are ripening quite nicely

@zombiecide Regarding fava beans: I got by the entire winter making bean soup by using leftover dried beans from previous years, old seed basically. There was only 1.5 2 kg old paper bags of flour so probably much less weight than 3 kg. I soak beans over night and usually use at most 2 big handfuls of beans for 5 litres of soup. The beans are really filling, I can eat double the soup without beans.

Dried beans are nice.

@thomasfuchs not only did we have 50+ years to prepare, we've also had that time to come up with serious solutions. We didn't. Because money.
@misjavanlaatum @thomasfuchs Money making sure nothing would be done, this all falls back to the big petrochemical industries who pumped money into politics for decades so they could keep pumping oil.
@thomasfuchs The count technically starts from 1950 but certainly by 1970 it was well known, so you're in the right frame, but it's wider. It's not an experiment, they are clueless because they can't see past their own ledger. This is just the start and yes, it's XRISK because there's systemic response behind this heat - the foolishness was believing this was other than a RESPONSIVE system of systems.

@thomasfuchs 💯

Someone made a list of reasons why the UK was unprepared for a recent heatwave that hit. Their main point revolved around most houses don't have AC because no one needed them before so there was nothing to be done about it now.

I guess they better start getting everyone prepared for the next one then? Right?

Or they're just going to suffer through until winter and do it all again next year:

@zimzat
Perfectly illustrated! 🫤

@thomasfuchs

@thomasfuchs But you're forgetting what truly matters. Central Europe, UK, big parts of Canada and USA will became temperate clime paradises, grapes and oranges trees in every corner, soft winters without jackets. Russia melted permafrost will provide huge extensions of fertile soils. The rest of the world can be screwed. The major contributors for the problem will reap benefits in the end, getting rich during the process. They forget that all can get out of control and also affect them.
@rcosta @thomasfuchs At least until the AMOC slows or stops, won't quite be the Mediterranean climate they expect.
@nini @thomasfuchs Yes, some political leaders really think climate is a basic stuff. Higher global temperatures = better weather for their countries. The reality is much more complex. They forget the extreme rains, hurricanes and huge waves of refugees.
@thomasfuchs if they take measures they would recognoce that global warming is real. And thats unacepptable for them

@thomasfuchs The frog thing is a myth though ... the frog jumps out.

It's only humans who are stupid enough not to.

@jmcrookston @thomasfuchs i came here to say exactly these two things.
@jmcrookston @thomasfuchs The frog has someplace to jump out to though.

@thomasfuchs

Yeah, if the rooms got no AC, close it.
It's no 'catastrophe' though, just one week summer heat. Next week down to 20°C. Relax and enjoy.

@gekko3k @thomasfuchs 40 people drowned in France trying to cool down. Even wealthy people have no AC in their houses. "Relax and enjoy" is a tone deaf thing to say people going through a weather emergency. People are dying of heatstroke.

@ekuber I apologize for these awful replyguys under my posts.

Wishing Mastodon had better controls for this.

@thomasfuchs The film "Don't Look Up" is not satire. It can't be.