Sir Ian McKellen on calling everyone "love"

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J'avais un collègue brancardier qui appelait tout le monde dans les services "mignon" ou "mignonne" parcequ'il se rappelait jamais les noms des gens, et ça passait crème ! 😄

@jmessager Le kébabier fait pareil avec "chef" (ou "beau gosse" par chez nous)
@madcollector @jmessager in marchand de fruits et légumes au marché de St Nazaire appelle tout le monde "cousin" du coup dans la famille on dit qu'on prend les fruits chez "mon cousin"

@R1Rail @madcollector @jmessager

Oui mais on n'a pas vraiment d'équivalent au "love" dont il parle.

@RainbowFrog @beaufils @R1Rail @madcollector @jmessager dans mon sud natal on reçoit régulièrement du "chéri.e" notamment dans les commerces

@DimitriFayolle @beaufils @R1Rail @madcollector @jmessager

je me souviens d'un film qui se passait à la Nouvelle Orléans, et où (en VO) tout le monde donnait du "cher.e" à tout le monde :D

@RainbowFrog Gambit, des X-Men, est Cajun et donne du "Chère" à tout va
@RainbowFrog @beaufils @madcollector @jmessager si je me souviens bien c'est la traduction adoptée pour la série "les enquêtes de Vera", l'inspectrice en chef Vera Stanhope appelle tout le monde "love"
@R1Rail @RainbowFrog @beaufils @madcollector @jmessager Dans le jeu Overwatch, le personnage de Tracer a une citation, "Cheers, love!" qui a été traduite par "Hello mon chou !"

@RainbowFrog @R1Rail @madcollector @jmessager

C'est pas mal, mais "my love" c'est quand même simple et puissant comme le dit McKellen.

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Et puis dans "mon chou" il reste le genre qu'il évite en disant juste "love", juste "chou".

@beaufils @R1Rail @madcollector @jmessager
Surtout que c'est non genré
(pas sûre d'apprécier de me faire appeler "chéri'e" par tout le monde...)
@R1Rail Même tradition dans ma famille maternelle. @madcollector @jmessager

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Ou bien 'habibi', c'est aussi universel.

@madcollector @jmessager Pas gender neutral du tout du toutmais un serveur de resto chinois pas cher rempli d'étudiants appelait la plupart des clients Monsieur le président, et des clientes Miss France, et leur servait de l'Eau Municipale au lieu de du robinet.
On se le dit toujours à l'occasion.
@jmessager @madcollector Mignon, Mignonne... c'était un brestois ton collègue. Parce qu'à Brest, tout le monde appelle tout le monde mignon.
@JoAnn @jmessager @madcollector Et dans la campagne environnante on entendait aussi "kô". "Hein, kô ?"
Il m'a fallu des années pour comprendre qu'il s'agissait de l'abréviation de koant/koantig = beau/belle/mignon.ne
@JoAnn @jmessager @madcollector En breton « mignon » signifie « ami », son féminin est « mignonez » 

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Un Morlaisien, c'est pas très loin 😄

@jmessager @madcollector À Douarnenez aussi tout le monde dit mignon et mignonne, à vrai dire.
@madcollector Perhaps no surprise, I can't think of anything comparable in Germany.

@MBrandtner I was adressed with "liebchen" by a cashier at DM once. My first unspoken reaction was "I am NOT a feeble old woman!" 🤣
Only "love" is somehow acceptable. 🤭

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@HeyLaiverd @MBrandtner @madcollector

Oh! I love it, it is so heartwarming.

Maybe "Liebes" or "mein Herz" - but these are very personal and intimate cosenames.
Maybe we should transfer "luv" to germany. Why not? There are a lot of loanwords (like f-word) - using a nice one is something new.

My pupils use "Bro" - dosen't matter if it is a girl or boy to them.

@EvaLie
I've just been called "Schätzchen" by a woman at a bakery.
That was nice.
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@madcollector "When people have problems with pronouns, love covers everything, doesn't it." ❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️

As The Beatles sang: "Love Is All You Need".

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@wonka @HeyLaiverd @madcollector They also sang “We all live in a yellow submarine”, which is obviously not true. So I would not look to them for an authoritative opinion.

@madcollector first time I went to manchester, some random guy in the street called me "our kid" within a few minutes.

Still upset I never got to move there

@madcollector Freddie Mercury also referred to everyone, friend or stranger, as "darling". 

All those alternatives he enumerated in the end are male though, while "love" just applies to everyone. That makes those alternatives really not alternatives at all.

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@madcollector I love this. Genuinely. It's simple genius.
@madcollector nah, if people like you they call you duck
@KormaChameleon @madcollector
I think that's most common in the Midlands, I heard it often in Leicestershire. But it was usually "m'duck".
@madcollector This is wonderful. I don't know if I could bring myself to do it in the US though.

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We so that here in Pembrokeshire. Not necessarily for the same reasons though 😉

@madcollector yknow i think they're onto something
@madcollector That is so beautiful, and moving! ♥️ #love
@madcollector I’ve lived in Manchester and Sheffield and “love” and “duck” are more common east of the pennines. Whereas “pal” and “mate” are more common in the west.
@madcollector Taxi drivers in London can spew misogynist and racist shit at you while calling you "luv" every few second. Especially if you're a woman. "We don't need anybody, luv" (ref. brexit). "Be careful of those black folk, luv" (ref a fucking jazz club). "Maybe stay home then, luv" (ref. whether a given area is considered safe).

Love Ian and I wish what he said were true. Instead it feels like it comes from a place of some privilege. :(
@madcollector Ah, the people from the north 🥰
@madcollector @beep Love this. (No pun intended.)

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J'aime bien aussi sa manière élégante de faire de la politique mine de rien dans son introduction : "if you're lucky enough to be able to afford the train fare"

@madcollector I love this! Does it work elsewhere? As an American man, I would totally use this for everyone with my one reservation being: would it make a woman feel uncomfortable?

@madcollector it's a nice way of looking at it for sure.

But as a woman, you don't really know if someone is saying it to everyone or not oftentimes
And I'm not some creepy guy's 'love' - it can be so patronising. Cheer up, love. Calm down, love.
If you've heard it all your life in less endearing terms, it can be much harder to breeze past or indeed enjoy.

@madcollector of course there are women who rightly object to men calling them 'love'. yes, it's a term of endearment, but it's also a way for a man to patronise a woman.

this is, as they say, why we can't have nice things…

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Well that's quite lovely, isn't it? ❤️ 🧡 💛 💚 💙 💜  

Who's that third person, the one who isn't John Bishop?

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Schatz, ich finde das wundervoll!

@madcollector Something similar happened to me at a hotel counter in Newfoundland, when we checked in. I was a bit startled to be welcomed with „ Hello, lover“. It underlines the enormous kindness of the Newfoundlanders.
@madcollector My experience with Yorkshire as well and right they are ❤️.
@madcollector Hier schneidet grad jemand Zwiebeln.
@madcollector I seem to be in the minority in this thread, but it shits me right off when randos call me "love". Or "darl", "darling", "dear", "sweetheart" or whatever other ridiculous infantilising word springs into their tiny minds. And then they have the fucking gall to get offended when I say very politely that I dislike being called that, so please don't. It seems to be much more women than men that do it here in Oz, and I just know that if I called *them* those things they would perceive it as sexist bullshit.
@madcollector This is the North! I miss it too.