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@inthehands Yes to Vivaldi. CEO pledges NO AI and respects user's privacy.
Straight from the horses mouth:
"Vivaldi does not collect user data and unlike other browsers, Vivaldi does
not sell data to advertisers and others willing to pay for it. Vivaldi doesn’t
even know how you use the browser.
Your synced data? End-to-end encrypted.
Your browsing? Protected with built-in tracker and ad blocking.
Your privacy? Respected, always."

Scott Murray

@inthehands i recently switched from Safari to Vivaldi as my primary browser and it’s soooo snappy! Mainly I switched for the tab management, which is heads and tails more helpful than safari. 🤷‍♂️

Thanks for the reminder to reevaluate one’s browser situation periodically. :)

Alfredo 1d ago

@inthehands tried Vivaldi too but is too bloated, the concept and the organization are great but the experience no, so I went back to Firefox and Edge combo for the usual and Waterfox or Tor when privacy matters.

AccordionBruce 1d ago

@alfredocg @inthehands @scott
How is the memory usage on Vivaldi?

I have been greatly disappointed with my M1 Mac’s performance as I overload Safari tabs

Scott Murray

@AccordionBruce @alfredocg @inthehands I tried Vivaldi prior to v8.0 and didn’t love it — clunky. But 8.0 is so much cleaner. Maybe because I took time to experiment with the themes and options, mostly turning off bits I didn’t like. Tab stacking is awesome. There is a feature for naming tab stacks (eg “finances” or “travel” or whatever). I love this feature but an open bug prevents it from working. They’re fixing it now.

Anyway works great on my M2 MacBook Air. I haven’t checked memory usage. But I don’t have 100s of tabs open either.

AccordionBruce 1d ago

@scott @alfredocg @inthehands
Safari tabs and bookmarks have never worked as well as when they killed extensions, and Saft stopped letting us organize and save open browser windows

Dragging and dropping them into tidy folders in tab drop-down menus

Ridiculous they didn’t adopt that as a stock feature 👨🏼‍🦳

Still miss it years later

Scott Murray

17h ago

@AccordionBruce Never heard of Saft, but I think I agree!

Raymond 1d ago

@AccordionBruce @alfredocg One or two processes seem to be using 1-2GB, but that could be due to the high resolution.

Otherwise, the footprint seems similar to other browsers.

AccordionBruce 1d ago

@arem @alfredocg
I got suckered in by their claims of unified memory requiring the same or less memory

And now my audio work suffers with this 16” M1 and too little RAM

The worst Mac experience I’ve had in 40 years 🍋

Closest I’ve come to switching to Windows for a variety of reasons

Headed off by Microsoft’s doomed abasement to AI

Reginald 1d ago

@inthehands It’s a little thing, but more than a decade ago I needed to work with both Chrome and Safari, and I was in the habit of working from coffeeshops, where it wasn’t always convenient to 🔌.

I could work for hours with Safari, but Chrome chewed through battery life without mercy. My theory at the time was that Chrome engineers optimized for “look how fast we are,” and knew that battery life would be blamed on the hardware. Whereas Safari engineers owned the entire user experience.

True North Strong And Free 1d ago

@inthehands
I prefer open source browsers.
Abrowser, IceCat and LibreWolf (unfortunately all from the same codebase)

Ertain 1d ago

@inthehands I'm wondering what the Ladybird browser will be like?

Nini 19h ago

@Ertain @inthehands Casually made by hate?

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-04-06/google-thiel-stand-out-in-saudi-prince-s-silicon-valley-tour

Nicole Parsons 1d ago

@inthehands

Be aware of who funds Google & Thiel.

Be aware of why Google is funded by murderous petrostate despots

https://www.businessinsider.com/microsoft-google-hand-dissident-data-to-saudi-arabia-activists-say-2023-7

Google, Thiel Feature in Saudi Prince's Silicon Valley Tour

Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman wrapped up a whirlwind tour of technology titans on Friday, part of a three-week U.S. visit focused on economic opportunities to diversify the oil-rich nation.

Bloomberg.com

Ox1de 1d ago

@inthehands what about librewolf? Just asking, I like for my nonsense.

loStronzoRocco 1d ago

@Ox1de @inthehands I’ve been using Librewolf for a few months. I used Firefox before and was able to basically have Librewolf be a “drop-in” replacement. I’d recommend it.

@Ox1de @inthehands I use Vivaldi and LibreWolf and PaleMoon and Helium and SeaMonkey and FireFox and Falkon and Netsurf (in order of frequency of use).

And for specific single use cases I use Chromium with some flags disabled.

All, with the exception of Netsurf with ad and tracker blockers.

I do not understand the "must only have one browser" fetish.

Farhan Ahmed 1d ago

@inthehands currently I’m in between Helium (https://https://helium.computer/), Vivaldi, and Safari as needed (very rare now a days).

Helium Browser

The web browser made for people, with love. Best privacy by default, unbiased ad-blocking, no bloat and no noise. Fully open source.

Ernst 1d ago

@macronaut @inthehands loving Helium as well, active tabs just needs more contrast, that’s the only complaint I’m having right now

Farhan Ahmed 17h ago

@Ernst @inthehands That plus a slightly better UI for tabs in split view. In my perspective, Arc still has the best UX for split tabs. I am hoping that UX gets refined and ported to Helium and other browsers.

George Saich 1d ago

@inthehands
Why ditch Chrome if you are going to use G-Suite?
Don't you think Google does the same type of surveillance and data theft in all of their malware (products)?
It is who they are.

Panicky_Patzer 1d ago

@geos @inthehands I'm forced to use it for work. Otherwise, I'd ditch it altogether.

George Saich 1d ago

@panicky_patzer @inthehands
I'd want to isolate that cr@p on a work computer and not touch it on a personal device. It is malware. Everything they do is about harvesting your data and selling it to anyone anywhere with no compunction.
So yeah, no Chrome on a personal device, but you have to consider any device using G-anything is compromised.

Why a business would trust them with anything is beyond me. 🤦

Shadowbottle 1d ago

@inthehands @gregatron5 @servelan for sure the only way to get rid of chrome or knock it down is to stop suggesting chromium based browsers to replace chrome.

Cailean Gallimore 1d ago

@inthehands
I never trusted Chrome enough to use it.

tasket 1d ago

@inthehands I see people griping about #Chrome being a necessary evil in their lives and then pretending that Chromium doesn't exist. These are supposed tech experts who I would guess can't claim ignorance.

Chaddicus 1d ago

@inthehands Zen Browser is so refreshing as well! It's also a modified Firefox, but more heavily than Waterfox.

Michael Cook 1d ago

@inthehands Thank you for mentioning Safari. I know it’s not an option for everyone due to platform/preferences, but it’s such a fantastic browser and so many dismiss it outright.

Vorsos 1d ago

@foobarsoft @inthehands I remain surprised Safari’s open source WebKit engine isn’t all over Linux distros.

@Vorsos @foobarsoft @inthehands Falkon?

It allows for tabs underneath the URL field AFAIK.

Algernon D'Ammassa 1d ago

@inthehands I use Vivaldi, works just fine.

The Lack Thereof

@inthehands
I am always surprised the number of people still on chrome

Em & future cats 🇺🇦🐈🏳️‍🌈1d ago

@inthehands I also want to add to the information of Firefox having trouble with a few websites that I use regularly 😹
Vivaldi works perfectly with all of these websites. I have yet to try waterfox and etc , but at least Vivaldi works perfectly for me!

Paul Giulan 1d ago

@inthehands have you tried Orion, based on WebKit?

Sibrosan 1d ago

@inthehands What about Brave?

Paul Cantrell 1d ago

@sibrosan

Run by a raging homophobe creepazoid. Don’t touch it with a 10 foot pole.

Sibrosan 1d ago

@inthehands

I do find the fact that Brendan Eich is the CEO there somewhat objectionable, but Mozilla, for example, has not exactly been free of controversies either.

I came to the conclusion that it's not a decisive factor for me.

Мя ��1d ago

@inthehands but... Vivaldi is still based on chromium, and google will remove all the code required for effective ad blocker to work

maybe built-in blocker will still work, but no uBlock

@mo @inthehands uBO still installed on Vivaldi 8+ here and still working.

Vivaldi's built in ad and tracker blocker uses the same blocklists as uBO. The built in blocker worked on the Android version of Vivaldi as well the last time I used it.

Мя ��1d ago

@the_wub not for long I guess. In theory, Vivaldi could support their fork of chromium with manifest V2, but in practice maintaining a browser engine is hella hard & costly

and they can't just keep using old chromium version for security reasons

@inthehands

https://vivaldi.com/blog/desktop/minor-update-seven-8-0/

@mo @inthehands It seems that the current #Vivaldi release is based on the current stable #Chromium release.

Minor update (7) for Vivaldi Desktop Browser 8.0

This update includes a minor upgrade to Chromium 148 (Extended Stable Release) from upstream, which in turn includes security fixes from Chromium 149.

Vivaldi Browser

François @Jura 1d ago

@inthehands I love how companies ignoring AI hype (DuckDuckGo, Vivaldi) are surging in popularity.

ĞÖKÜ👻👻™1d ago

@inthehands is 💦🦊 available for android phone?

John Storjohann 23h ago

@inthehands Duck duck go is another great brouser.

Sean Murthy 23h ago

@inthehands Edge is also a decent option, no?

Aymeric Baud 23h ago

@inthehands unfortunately it's not entirely open-source, even if based on chromium.

Dunc 21h ago

@inthehands Modified Firefox all the way, I personally use LibreWolf which I find pretty good. Also love Firefox on mobile as its the only browser I know of which lets you use extensions. Means you can have uBlock Origin for phone browsing!

David Todd McCarty 19h ago

@inthehands @servelan

I generally use Safari because I am still heavily embedded in the Apple ecosystem but occasionally use Chrome for certain functions because they don’t work well on Safari. For instance, if I’m working on a WP website, I need to make the changes using Chrome. I don’t use it as a browser to browse. Is that still problematic?

Chris Mackay 🇨🇦19h ago

@dtm @inthehands @servelan I’ve generally found Safari problematic with WordPress admin — caching issues, mostly — so I usually use Firefox (Developer Edition, for those rare times I need to inspect CSS issues). I still use Safari for checking the front end. I haven’t even had Chrome installed anywhere for years. 🤷‍♂️

KeithWM 19h ago

@inthehands I really really applaud your honesty about the multitude of the options. People tend to promote just one and find fault with all else. It's good that you share a more a nuanced view.

John Rohde Jensen 18h ago

@inthehands Safari is a nice browser BUT it use Google search by default. I suggest changing the search engine to Ecosia. Green and European.