Following the @EUCommission Tech Sovereignty and Open Source Strategy (and Mastodon’s direct mention within it!) announced this week…
Our team is proud to have signed and contributed to the drafting of the European Social Stack Open Declaration alongside our peers in the #SocialWeb and #Fediverse: @anewsocial, @eurosky.social, @newsmast, Save Social, and @swf.
We are a movement, and stronger together.
Read the declaration, add your signature, and share: https://european.social/
@esanchis @Mastodon @EUCommission @anewsocial @[email protected] @newsmast @swf
it's the right forum to ask because i am an american in western new york state interacting with you
@vladcampos @benroyce @esanchis
The European Digital Identity Wallet is *not* decentralized. It reportedly requires an unmodified phone from either Apple or Google.
So far, those concerns have been ignored or dismissed by the developers of the Wallet. https://gitlab.opencode.de/bmi/eudi-wallet/wallet-development-documentation-public/-/work_items
I'm under the impression it will be used to verify users' ages and prohibit access to any user-generated content if the user is below a certain age. Anyone wishing to use all open source is therefore shut out of everything except static websites.
This https://www.patrick-breyer.de/en/posts/chat-control/#currentproposal says Fedi/XMPP/FOSS are not affected, but this document may be outdated.
@argv_minus_one @vladcampos @esanchis
you're not framing the problem correctly
you've identified a terrible aspect of a subsystem that can be fixed at a later time, not a roadblock showstopper
you are vibing on perfectionism and imagining your dubious objection somehow stands against the entire endeavour. it's concern trolling at best, whether you realize it or not
you should look to see that this problem is fixed in incremental improvement, which is the only thing that exists in this world
@benroyce @argv_minus_one @vladcampos it was not intended to be trolling. I just can imagine many people not wanting to be limited to only Europe. It was a humble question.
But as you also say, most probably it can be addressed later. I just wanted to know if this was already addressed at current state (I am sure many people did also think of this).
@esanchis @argv_minus_one @vladcampos
you're not trolling. i am responding to someone else. do you see their comment or is it hidden from you? if you can't see it and thus think i am responding to you that's a UI issue
I don't mean to troll. I am genuinely afraid. This looks like an intentional design choice, and I really *really* don't like where this is going.
So far, these concerns have been ignored or dismissed by the developers of the Wallet. https://gitlab.opencode.de/bmi/eudi-wallet/wallet-development-documentation-public/-/work_items
And because it is the gatekeeper to everything else, FOSS people will not even be able to *discuss* fixing this problem. All communication is cut off.
@argv_minus_one @vladcampos @esanchis
"I am genuinely afraid"
well yes, fear is the mind killer. fear is the little death that brings total obliteration. arguments from fear always fail. so stop being afraid. that's you defeating yourself
I needed to hear that right now. Thank you.
I did find this https://www.patrick-breyer.de/en/posts/chat-control/#currentproposal which suggests that Fedi/XMPP/FOSS will be exempt from the upcoming age-control requirements, and therefore the discussion can continue here. But I'm not sure if that document is outdated or if I'm misunderstanding.
If anyone could clarify, I would appreciate it.
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@dianshuo @argv_minus_one @vladcampos @esanchis
that's not a problem with europe. every single nation on the planet has border controls. your complaint is with the human condition, not europe
@dianshuo @argv_minus_one @vladcampos @esanchis
i can't process the assertion that border controls is a uniquely european issue
selective criticism is not a coherent basis
@dianshuo @argv_minus_one @vladcampos @esanchis
i still don't understand your complaint because you are still insisting that controls, border or not, are uniquely european in nature
just to be clear: i don't have a problem with your argument about controls, i have a problem with you asserting it is europe's problem alone
it's a human problem
if you want to say europe should go another way, ok
but don't form such an argument on the basis of "this is a problem only europe has"
@dianshuo @argv_minus_one @vladcampos @esanchis
furthermore, i do not understand this baseless fear europe would set up a social stack and limit interaction with the outside world
europe will not be isolating itself from the world. and merely because controls exist, in some form, does not mean europe is north korea
it's fearmongering
you are taking an aspect of incremental development, depicting it in an absurd, fearful light, and pretending it is a permanent hurdle
@esanchis absolutely not! Federation keeps people connected across borders.
@Mastodon @EUCommission @anewsocial @eurosky.social @newsmast @swf
“The development of a system for a distributed identity that can be used across networks and beyond (e.g. the European Digital ID Wallet) and protects personal data.”
This reportedly requires the user to use a non-European non-open-source operating system and remote-attestation service.
And this is the gatekeeper controlling access to everything else.
And this will lock out users like me who are outside Europe.
I love open source and this absolutely breaks my heart.
@Mastodon @EUCommission @anewsocial @eurosky.social @newsmast @swf signing up to the anti-privacy digital ID is pretty poor tbh.
It will absolutely be used by authoritarian EU and non-EU states to limit access to information and spy on which websites people visited.
I live in a different EU country.
I'm enthusiast, if it's meant to use same credentials to access to different state based services (taxes, pensions, healthcare, driving licenses..).
I will never want it to be mandatory to use it to access social networks.
The best thing about #fediverse and the open social web, is that I can run my own services and have no one dictate my social presence.
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@_elena @marcocappato
@Mastodon @EUCommission @anewsocial @eurosky.social @newsmast @swf
@Mastodon
This obsession with “Europeanness” is really worrying. You suggest that European govt or business interference were not a threat to public-interest infrastructure. But they are.
YES to everything related to decentralisation and democratic principles. NO to the Europe-first bs (and the EU ID wallet of course).
@EUCommission @anewsocial @eurosky.social @newsmast @swf
@alineblankertz there's a point to it in that it is useful to have EU law be what governs our use of these technologies but I agree that it can be harmful if it is the only thing people focus on since I'd say a truly open community-governed platform is much better than a proprietary one even if ran by Europeans.
In that regard, this article covers most of the dangers of assuming an European infrastructure is, per se, a net bonus - unless specific measures are taken to preserve such infrastructure from a hostile takeover from a non-democratic movement within the EU, that infrastructure becomes an engine for such a movement to target its political opponents and suppress free speech. The ID wallet can potentially be used to disenfranchise political opponents, and block entire groups of people from access to information, even under the right hands - and far more so under the wrong ones.
defenddemocracy.eu/eu-tech-dem…
@alineblankertz @EUCommission @anewsocial @newsmast @Mastodon @eurosky.social
@Mastodon not a big fan of some of the language here. Atmosphere being labeled as "large-scale" or "planet-scale" like its proponents like to do is just pointless.
Bluesky is currently not significantly larger compared to the fediverse and it is shrinking... There's nothing particularly "large" about it. The platforms listed in this under Atmosphere are tiny compared to the fediverse since they want to avoid mentioning the only one with any adoption worth talking about in this context...
@Mastodon @EUCommission Europe is in a hybrid conflict on two fronts; our elections and political life are under direct attack from foreign agents who use social media to manipulate public opinion and centre the political agenda to undermine us
The flawed europen democracies at at risk from people and policians within it's member state . Russia and china are simply taking advantage of it and zionist lobbies are trying to keep europe support for settler colonialsm in palestine
@Mastodon @EUCommission @anewsocial @eurosky.social @newsmast @swf
"We are deploying systems that have editorial pluralism and FIMI monitoring built in to shield our polity from influence and make our democracy resilient under attack."
"The development of content moderation infrastructure"
Which will be used to crush anti-genocide and anti-zionist voices. It will be surveillance.
The EU does it in real life, and the larger mastodon instances have proven they enjoy doing it too.
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