Proposal to replace "my brother in Christ" with "my comrade in the coming revolution".

Pros:
* Assumes the best in people
* Gender neutral
* Does not enshrine Christian hegemony
* Counterrevolutionaries, liberals, and status quo defenders can have a little minor irritation as a treat

Cons:
None

@celesteh

“Siblings in Dionysus”

@paninid @celesteh "My littermate in Ceiling Kitty" 

@celesteh

My fellow worker is still a personal favourite

  • working class solidarity
  • gender neutral
  • fellow rhymes with mellow

@celesteh there is one con.

The liberals will take the phrase over and claim the revolution is voting.

@fiend_unpleasant

Yeah, people who are too full of their own revolutionary fervour to vote against people like Orban and Trump are not comrades, but cosplayers.

Voting is really very far from enough by itself, but its also necessary.

@celesteh I have always agreed with Comrade Goldman "If voting changed anything they'd would make it illegal"

@fiend_unpleasant

You might want to read up on the SAVE act.

@celesteh I know about the SAVE act. It does not change what I said. It's another performative neo-liberal smoke screen to get liberationalits to participate in the bourgeois scam that is "democratic elections" thinking they are changing anything.

@fiend_unpleasant

Let's see how things go for Hungary, I guess. I can't help but see the removal of Orban as very positive.

Goldman was amazing, but she also died in 1940 and things have changed a bit since then. A lot of what she said was deliberately edgy and provocative. She wanted to annoy people. Her quotable little lines need to be taken in that context of trying to provoke people into greater action. It's true that voting isn't the primary method of change, but we shouldn't take it as received gospel that it's therefore useless. Obviously she wanted to be published and quoted, but I doubt she wished the be canonised as the final word, given how antireligious she was.

If she really meant to say that we shouldn't use a particular lever of power to pick our opponent, then she was wrong on that point.

@celesteh @fiend_unpleasant Also, I mean, if you want voting to change things you have to change minds in who gets voted for.

Like, changing the Overton window is a whole separate thing from voting.

@squishymage42 @fiend_unpleasant

Changing the overton window is a big part of the real work!

@celesteh @fiend_unpleasant
"Don't shoot Neo-Hitler with that gun he gave you, it's full of blanks."
Meh, blanks sometimes still kill people, it's worth pulling the trigger.

@fiend_unpleasant Hey, she lived through two times when the Czar just dissolved the Duma because he didn't like what they had voted up, didn't she?

@celesteh

@fiend_unpleasant @celesteh
Indeed. Having elections does not equate to having a democracy.
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@celesteh

Well said my comrade in the coming revolution!

@celesteh

"In the name of fully automated luxury gay space communism..."

@celesteh Not to be contrarian, but isn’t “My brother in Christ” usually used incredulously? Like when someone has a ridiculous take that would make them unsuitable for comradeship?

Open to counterpoints from folks who speak internet better than I do.

@colorblindcowboy

Yeah, maybe, but as someone who constantly has bad takes, I demand inclusion!

@colorblindcowboy @celesteh I have occasionally seen it used where people have an idea that is extremely mild, like so mild as to be akin, "let's move all the deck chairs over here to counter weight this 52000 ton sinking boat" and another person responds with, "my brother in Christ, 50 pound of chairs isn't going to cut it and they all slid off the deck while we were arguing about this." At least they're anti-sinking so they could still be brought over in time for the revolution/lifeboat?

@baconandcoconut @colorblindcowboy

A good revolution will not be like the old Soviet system where dead dictators became drop-in replacements for saints in a climate of mandated orthodox atheism.

But it sure as heck is not going to be hegemonically Christian. 'Haha, ironic, I'm demanding you to be Christian ❤️'. Just some cheeky Christian nationalism!!

They need to knock that off before they can get into any lifeboats.

@baconandcoconut @celesteh Agree. Tho I’m not helping you move any chairs, just to be clear.
@colorblindcowboy @celesteh My fellow dinosaur in the coming comet arrival, the chairs will be incinerated first.
@colorblindcowboy @celesteh at the same time that usage feels like it's sort reeling them in despite having wandered so far astray. you're out there in the ideological wilds, but member of ultimately the same group as us, [observation which should make you falter in your march off further into that].
@LionsPhil @celesteh Maybe it’s not so much replacement but a continuum?

@LionsPhil @colorblindcowboy

Any political group affiliation that insists on Christianity is at least proximate to Christian nationalism.

Like, this is easy for Christians and atheists from a Christian background to laugh off, but, in the current climate, this is more than alienating to members of minority religions.

@celesteh @colorblindcowboy yep. hence the "brother in Christ" being applied as the "universal" group even if being said to someone who vehemently does not want to be counted as one, because "you're one of us anyway, like it or not" *is* Christian fundamentalism

and as such "comrade in the coming revolution" would be consistent to apply the same way even to people who would absolutely be class traitors in such a thing

@celesteh love this, I'm in!

I sometimes use "status quo enjoyers" to describe that particular group.

@flancian @celesteh "my sibling stabber of the status quo"
@celesteh my Luigi in the fight to get paid enough to live.

@celesteh one con. Namely Viktor Orban. With his departure, the Revolution has BEGUN. I invite you to consider striking the word "coming", at least inside the EU...

With that caveat, my comrade in the revolution, I wholeheartedly support your effort, for reasons stated!

@stonebear2

I'm so happy for Hungary

@celesteh it's not nirvana for them; they've a long way to go internally... _and_ it's NOT FASCISM... and they did it THEMSELVES. That's gotta be *such a rush*...
@celesteh I use My sibling in Sasquatch
@cR0w @celesteh Or the Canadian Deep Cut™️ version: "My sibling in Samquanch"
@celesteh usually we just say "Jesus fucking Christ" here in Australia, so not a bother
@celesteh counterpoint: this phrase is exclusively used by condescending pricks to deliver thought-terminating clichees and i don't want those pricks to be part of my revolution
@celesteh For those who feel that this is too unwieldy (it is over twice the amount of syllables, after all), how about... My sibling in stars? Has some nice alliteration, too
@celesteh I'm rather partial to "my sibling in Cthulu"
@celesteh oh absolutely comrade
@celesteh by the tankie mark in your displayname i can tell anarchists fall under liberals in this case

@hsza

Sorry, are you asserting that anarchists support Christian hegemony??

Or are you just mad that anarcho-communists sometimes use unicode symbols?

@celesteh okay i see you aren’t one of the terrible ones

keep in mind there are a lot of people who will very rightfully block you on the spot for the hammer & sickle in your profile without even engaging first

it’s the symbol of authoritarian tankies first and foremost

@hsza

"One of the good ones" omg. The number of times I've heard this phrase as a migrant....

@celesteh the racist use of that kind of phrase is irrelevant here

by “terrible ones” i mean authoritarian communists aka marxist-leninists aka tankies who very commonly mark themselves with “☭”

@celesteh @[email protected] Yeah, bad phrasing, but shi has a point. The Soviet Union was an oppressive empire, even as it preached equality. So a lot of people, especially those dealing with the consequences of the Soviet's actions, find the use of the symbol distasteful. While it is somewhat of a jump, some (including hsza) read the use of the symbol as a mark of support towards the Soviet state.

@celesteh

I think you could lose the word "coming" because the rev started yesterday. :)

@celesteh
I'd suggest it's tune to remove "coming" from your suggested phrase.
@FeloniousPunk
@celesteh Also consider replacing "none of these words are in the bible" with "none of these words are in the manifesto/the bread book" (selected based on your flavour of commie)
"Release the Epstein files"

"Release the Means of Production"

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