gusseting

Greenpeace Australia will be using AI, as they're recruiting for AI and Data Platforms Lead:
"Working closely with the IT Manager, Platform Leads, and GPAP’s Data & AI Governance Council, you’ll lead the implementation of our AI Strategy, making sure every AI use case is transparent, ethical, and aligned with Greenpeace values."

Failing to see how a right wing techbro concept which is killing people + planet is ethical.

#NoAI #Greenpeace #climate #climateaction
https://www.ethicaljobs.com.au/members/greenpeace/ai-and-data-platforms-lead-flexible-location-work-from-home?categories=34

AI and Data Platforms Lead - Flexible Location / Work from Home - Job in Sydney - Greenpeace Australia Pacific

Lead the evolution of GPAP’s AI and Data strategy, owning the platforms and governance that turns data into environmental action.

Apr 6 at 10:25pmWeb
Show threadgussetingApr 6

@greenpeace @nickofnz
Seeking to understand how/why AI is in alignment with your values, when there's no such thing as "ethical AI'.
AI is #automatingInequality, pushing resources we already don't have to the brink, and killing people + planet. Why are you signing up for that?

#noai fyi @kimcrawley

Show threadTerminal TiltApr 6

@gusseting @greenpeace @nickofnz @kimcrawley

It is like burning down a forest just to power a server that summarizes a paper on reforestation. Using LLMs for "information efficiency" is just digital slash and burn in a green coat.

Show threadgussetingApr 6

@terminaltilt
There seems to be some major communications issues within Greenpeace, given that they're speaking out about AI, yet are in a rush to adopt it.

https://mastodon.nz/@nickofnz/116339563766991435

Nick Young :tinoflag: (@[email protected])

This is a must-read. The energy and environmental impact of AI and how it undermines our democracy https://www.greenpeace.org/international/story/82486/ai-energy-environment-democracy/?utm_medium=nickofnz&utm_content=postid-82486&utm_campaign=&utm_source=mastodon via @[email protected] #AI #climateChange #Water #Energy

Mastodon NZ
Show threadTerminal TiltApr 6

@gusseting

It is like Ecosia. They have an LLM despite the entire point of the platform is to replant forests. The irony is frustrating.

Show threadKim Crawley 😷 (she/her)Apr 7

@gusseting @greenpeace @nickofnz

Thank you for thinking of me.

Show threadgussetingApr 7

RE: https://mastodon.social/@gusseting/116360787293110290

@kimcrawley Please share, as Australia is very quiet re: AI
eg: Andrew Forrest, who donated 2 million to the Fossil Free Treaty at #cop30, whilst receiving 300 million in taxpayer funded diesel subsidies for his fossil fuel use at FMG in the same year.
His foundation funds "Ethical AI", using those same fossil fuelled dollars at Oxford + Cambridge universities.
#NoAi

Show threadDavid HowellApr 7
@gusseting @kimcrawley What an ironic surname for a climate-killer!
Show threadgussetingApr 8

@greenpeace
@greenpeace_de
@greenpeace @GreenpeaceEU

Seeking to understand;
When you're written an article about the harms of AI, how is it ok for you to then turn around and hire an AI lead for Australia? How is there ethical AI, when no matter how ethical it is, it's still harming people + planet? How do you have no other alternative?
#Australia #AI #noAI #Greenpeace

https://www.greenpeace.org/international/story/82486/ai-energy-environment-democracy/?utm_medium=nickofnz&utm_content=postid-82486&utm_campaign=&utm_source=mastodon

The energy and environmental impact of AI and how it undermines democracy - Greenpeace International

The AI boom is not progress if it deepens extraction, environmental harm and attacks on democracy. From Ireland to New Jersey, people are resisting a model of AI development that concentrates profit and power while offloading the environmental and social costs onto everyone else.

Greenpeace International
Show threadAnnaApr 7
@gusseting Before we tie them to the stake, as someone who worked in AI before the GenAI revolution: there’s a *lot* of ethical non-genAI work possible, especially in the geodata realm. Some types of environmental monitoring wouldn’t be possible without it (eg tracking floating debris over a combination of visible light data sources, to name just the first thing of many).
Show threadgussetingApr 7

@venite
I respectfully disagree.
"Hallucinations — or, if you prefer, lies — are a feature of LLMs. They are a mathematical inevitability, one that cannot be overcome with ever more data and ever greater processing power. In fact, hallucinations aren’t even a mistake. They are no more or less than a product of programming."
This is not my opinion, This is a climate reporter, Patrick Galey.
https://medium.com/@patchgaley/the-secret-lies-of-ai-fb5eb6b9eb26

NIck from Greenpeace + Greenpeace themselves have been silent. Why is that?

The secret lies of AI

The Card Players by Maria Helena Viera da Silva (1948)

Medium
Show threadAnnaApr 8
@gusseting my point is that AI and LLMs are not the same thing.
Show threadgussetingApr 8

RE: https://mastodon.social/@gusseting/116365843064715252

@venite Agreed, they're not. However that doesn't let Greenpeace off the hook.
Ethics? What ethics?

Show threadAnnaApr 8
@gusseting I have no idea, I live on the other side of the planet and was reacting to a very specific post of yours where I *do* have relevant knowledge.
Show threadgussetingApr 7

RE: https://mastodon.social/@gusseting/116360523586300031

@venite Exactly how much leeway are we going to give Greenpeace Australia given their track record?
How is not saying no to conflict in any way peaceful?
How is supporting a fossil fuel company green?
Why are Greenpeace Australia so silent re: renewables companies such as Vestas who are struggling in Australia, who have zero support and acknowledgement from them?
The stake has already been tied here.

Show threadgussetingApr 7

@venite It's a case of my autism/neurodiversity + sense of moral good = 🤯🤯🤯 over the state of the world.
Yes, Greenpeace, it's great that you mention too many cows in NZ:
https://mastodon.nz/@nickofnz/116127761348933637

NZ has around 5 million cattle. Australia has 26 million + deathly silence re: the harm caused to people + planet as a result.

I have a very hard time living with that, that I hope you can understand and empathise with as a fellow human.

Nick Young :tinoflag: (@[email protected])

Damn, Fonterra has a lot to answer for. Widespread degradation of Southland’s drinking water safety has been exposed in a council-commissioned report. #TooManyCows https://www.odt.co.nz/southland/nitrate-%E2%80%98news-not-good%E2%80%99-southland

Mastodon NZ
Show threadgussetingApr 12
@JulianOliver
This was before Palantir ⬆️
"Now that it has eyes on expanding across Australia and the United States, the grubby hands of Big Tech apparently want in."
https://gizmodo.com/peter-thiels-cowgorithm-powered-cattle-collar-company-raises-220-million-2000737447
I'll give it 3 years before it's incorporated into ankle bracelets for prisoners.
Peter Thiel's Cowgorithm-Powered Cattle Collar Company Raises $220 Million

Moo-ve over, human tracking. We're doing cows.

Gizmodo
Show threadJulian OliverApr 12

@gusseting

Cattle tracking as PoC. A worrying and interesting thought.

There are already GPS ankle bracelets used on those on parole & home detention here. I'd say Palantir would have an eye on 'disrupting' that market to eventual monopoly.

Perhaps also tapping into the lucrative immigration enforcement market. Wouldn't put it past some racist govs to employ them upon arrivals from certain origin countries, forced to wear while their paperwork for permanent residency is permanently delayed.

Show threadgussetingApr 12
@JulianOliver it's been my experience in rural areas that women are basically the human version of cattle. Stock and station agents attempt to have conversations that go like this:
So, what've you been up to? Children? no.
Married? no.
Someone special? No, not really, so off to the meatworks I go, eh? HA HA.
When it comes to registering with govt for benefits etc - it's women who are more likely to be doing that than men.
eg: robodebt in australia hit women the hardest.