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Gabe Newell Is Shitting Yacht Money into Flatpak and You're Still Arguing about Init Systems | S3kshun8's Lair

｢ Most saddening of all is that the legitimate and valid communal focused ideology that the old guard purports to hold up - is actually being lived and expressed by the corporations those same people would argue are capturing the ecosystem ｣

https://s3kshun8.games/blog/flatpak-won/

#flatpak #systemd #opensource #rant

Gabe Newell Is Shitting Yacht Money into Flatpak and You're Still Arguing about Init Systems

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Apr 5 at 8:57amWeb
Show threadKarl R1d ago

@jbz Sheesh, it's articles like that which give #Flatpak a creepy, tech-bro aura.

This is part of the neo-liberal playbook: We'll give you shiny toys if you just give us complete control.

#FOSS is democratic, and yes, that can be messy. Push back from Linux users against systems like PulseAudio, Systemd, Wayland, Wine & Flatpak are all justified and healthy. Some of those things I like, and some I don't, but there should always be alternatives. Anyone who says otherwise doesn't support FOSS.

Show threadJorge Castro1d ago

@wickedsmoke @jbz > Freedom from the tyranny of package managers is the most exciting thing I've ever heard of as a developer.

Fuck yeah!

Show threadMiguel Torrellas1d ago
@jbz
Show threadsoc23h ago
@migtorr @jbz 🤮
Show threadGlyph1d ago
@jbz maybe I don't need to write that blog post about what's wrong with the "distribution" model of the world after all
Show threadMatt Campbell1d ago
@glyph @jbz FWIW, the strongest defense I've read of the traditional distro model is this post by Drew DeVault: https://drewdevault.com/2019/12/09/Developers-shouldnt-distribute.html and the follow-up about two years later: https://drewdevault.com/2021/09/27/Let-distros-do-their-job.html
Developers shouldn't distribute their own software

Show threadGlyph1d ago
@matt @jbz to be honest I have never understood these posts. he opens with the thesis that a distro "may feel like an unnecessary middleman to the software developer who just wants to get their code into their user’s hands" and then proceeds to describe exactly that sort of busybody middleman. it describes "norms" but not the benefit or function of these norms, or why they all have to be different. He sort of *alludes* to benefits but doesn't describe how they work
Show threadsoc23h ago
@glyph @matt @jbz You probably also hate unions.
Show threadGlyph18h ago
@soc @matt @jbz no
Show threadsoc16h ago
@glyph @matt @jbz 🤡
Show threadMatt Campbell1d ago
@jbz @glyph I think this rant gives off more heat than light. It was triggered by, as I understand it, a heated reaction by an AppImage zealot. Where I think it goes wrong is in lumping AppImage fans and defenders of traditional distros (Debian, Arch, Gentoo, NixOS) together. 1/?
Show threadMatt Campbell1d ago
@jbz @glyph IMO, the salient difference between AppImage and the traditional distros is that the latter, including the package manager friction that frustrates app developers more accustomed to the proprietary platforms (I count myself in that category), serve to ensure that open-source software can in fact be rebuilt from source in a decentralized way, because all the distros that package a thing are routinely rebuilding it themselves (or, in the case of Gentoo, their users are).
Show threadGlyph1d ago
@matt @jbz I think the level of emotion going into this is itself somewhat illuminating, in that it points to a persistent, long-term, ongoing dysfunction in the relationship between distros and ISVs. I think the AppImage fan's rude message was the proximal trigger for this but there's clearly a LOT of pent-up frustration behind it
Show threadsoc23h ago
@jbz What a shit article.