Knut Branson
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I just noticed that BOTH Apple and Google have capitulated to the fever dreams of a dictator who shits himself and rapes children.
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Shadedlady
lopta@Shadedlady @DemocracyMattersALot Had that installed anyway so I just disabled Google Maps on my phone and promoted Organic Maps to the dock.
@Shadedlady @DemocracyMattersALot I need to add some bus stops.
Official Kakistocracy Jester 🪓@Shadedlady @DemocracyMattersALot This is the one I use.
Rob HooftAnother consideration: “Gulf of America” is only /very/ wrong if you consider that the USA is America, ignoring all other countries on the continent. Which we don’t?
Graham C@rwwh @DemocracyMattersALot then it can't be renamed by just one country on the continent, no?
@adamantichrist @DemocracyMattersALot hm. Most geofeatures have multiple names, and different ones used by different groups or different times? In NL we call “UK”, “VK” and “USA”, “VS”. Our own country we call “Nederland” but others call it “Holland” or “Pays Bas” or “Niederlande”. In many places Beijing used to be called Peking. Eswatini used to be called Swaziland until they changed it. It is true that I would frown a bit if NL beaches would suddenly be flooded by the Danish Gulf.
Pino Carafa@rwwh @DemocracyMattersALot no, it is very wrong because it's not the USA's place to change the names of international bodies of water. I mentioned the organisations responsible for THAT in another reply.
Woozle Hypertwin
DaveIsn't "Great Againlandia" what the rest of the world calls "West Denmark"? 🤣
@TheLancashireman @DemocracyMattersALot
Me to Denmark: Yes, please annex us! I'm pretty sure Greenland is run 1000x better than we are at this point.
@DemocracyMattersALot I'm in Australia and it has gulf of America in brackets under the real name
@adamantichrist @DemocracyMattersALot Yup. Pisses me off no end.
I have no problem with Google Maps showing local versions of names. If you happen to be in the USA and you look at that body of water, fine, show Trump's fantasy name. I don't care.
But outside the USA? It's the Gulf of Mexico. It's international waters. That's what it's called. End of.
@adamantichrist @DemocracyMattersALot Yup. Everywhere in the world except, apparently, in Mexico itself. Whereas the Mexican display is actually correct apart from Local versioning. Golfo de MĂ©xico is correct, so Gulf of Mexico is acceptable, Golf van Mexico in Dutch, etc. All fine. But "Gulf of America" should not be displayed the moment one leaves the borders of Trumpistan behind.
Thorsten 'Zwieback' Brandt@DemocracyMattersALot
Not in my Apple or Google Maps in Europe. It’s GoM (GoA) in both.
Not in my Apple or Google Maps in Europe. It’s GoM (GoA) in both.
William Hamilton
lupus_blackfurOne of the *many* reasons I use Kagi Maps and/or Open Street Maps instead...
Not looking back.
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RightSprung will not comply@lupus_blackfur @DemocracyMattersALot
Here We Go uses Open street maps, and it shows as Gulf of America. It might be the company, or OSM changed it, also.
Just sent them an email...
@rightsprung @DemocracyMattersALot
That's evidently on Here We Go...
As far as I can tell, OSM doesn't label any oceans, gulfs, seas, etc...
Not certain bout lakes...
OSM does label rivers.
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@lupus_blackfur @DemocracyMattersALot
Oh good to know!
John@DemocracyMattersALot place and feature names on maps are usually the officially recognized names. Trump passed a law, as moronic as it is, and now we have a new name that these companies use. My map company does the same thing.
Not defending Trump, just explaining how maps are made.
He issued an Executive Order, which doesn’t have a same weight as law—Congress never voted on it.
ShadSterling@DemocracyMattersALot @silent_john executive orders are instructions from the chief executive to the rest of the executive branch as to how to go about implementing the laws passed by Congress; they’re not only not laws, they don’t apply to anyone outside the executive branch at all.
IIRC private companies started making the change because various departments promised retaliation if they didn’t, starting with revoking any government access. They’re giving in to criminal bullying
@silent_john @DemocracyMattersALot Yes but then:
* When you're inside the USA and you look at the map, show "Gulf of America". USA do USA, see if I care.
BUT
* When you're outside the USA, accept that the USA has no, ZERO, jurisdiction over the naming of international bodies of water. It's Gulf of Mexico OR whatever it's called in the local language, e.g. in The Netherlands you might see "Golf van Mexico".
@rozeboosje @DemocracyMattersALot localization should be a thing. It depends on what your local government accepts as "truth". Simply flipping your VPN also might not reveal the correct answer, as you might have cached tiles, etc...
My point is, no matter how stupid the decision to change the name is, it *is* an officially recognized name change.
@silent_john @DemocracyMattersALot No it's not. The "official recognition" ends at the USA borders.
@rozeboosje @DemocracyMattersALot
You're arguing just to argue. Re-read what I posted. That's exactly what I said, and in fact how it works...
I just pulled up gmaps on mexico vpn (and private session to avoid cached tiles) and it shows Golfo de MĂ©xico. Same with Canada.
I did the same with Apple Maps and it shows the localized name: Gulf of Mexico.
I work in the industry, we don't get to arbitrarily decide what names to show.
@silent_john @DemocracyMattersALot No, I'm arguing fact.
I'm in the Republic of Ireland. On an Irish network. When I navigate to that body of water in Google Maps I should see "Gulf of Mexico" and NOTHING else. Instead, I see this shite:
I don't care WHAT industry you work in. This is the fact of what I'm seeing even though I'm outside Trumpistan
@rozeboosje blocking you my dude...
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@silent_john @rozeboosje Here's another thing: someone has made a decision to translate the ficticious name "Gulf of America" into Italian as "Golfo d'America." But it has no revelance whatsoever for the Italian speaking parts of the world.
What will these bootlickers do when Trump decides to rename Greenland?
What will these bootlickers do when Trump decides to rename Greenland?
Gurre Vildskägg
Ciela-An Orca Ally
SilkesterBecause Congress didn't change the name, even in the US the official name is Golf of Mexico.
Sadly much of the US is brown-nosing Trump, granting him more power than he actually has.
And lern and teach the power of EOs and why Trump gets his kicked out on the regular. It is embarrassing, how much SCOTUS is waisting time on them.
AngieI've played around with Google Maps using a VPN and I've found that it only shows as "Gulf of America" in the US. Everywhere else it shows "Gulf of Mexico" with the Trumpian variant underneath in parentheses.
@angiebaby @DemocracyMattersALot And that should not be tolerated. International bodies of water? Reference IHO, UNGEGN and UNCLOS ...
The name is "Gulf of Mexico", so when one is outside the USA, that's what it should say or the local version thereof. Nothing else. No parentheses, nothin'
🔏 Matthias Wiesmann@rozeboosje @angiebaby @DemocracyMattersALot these systems do the same for any contested geographic feature. The real problem is the US gouvernement.
@thias @angiebaby @DemocracyMattersALot Sure but this isn't "contested" as such. Trump (and by extension the USA) isn't claiming ownership. He just unilaterally decided to call it by a different name.
@rozeboosje @angiebaby @DemocracyMattersALot The naming is contested, this is similar to the Falkland / Malvinas islands, or the sea of Japan / east-sea.
@thias @angiebaby @DemocracyMattersALot No, that's different. What's contested is the ownership of those islands. Both the UK and Argentina claim ownership and, as a result, the right to name them.
The Gulf is international waters. Even Trump isn't so stupid to claim the USA "owns" it. Nor has the USA formally put forward such a change. So on the international stage nothing has changed. And, outside the USA, tools like "Google Maps" should reflect that.
@thias @angiebaby @DemocracyMattersALot The naming of the Sea of Japan is subject to *official requests* for changes from the Koreas. No such requests have been made by the USA
@rozeboosje @angiebaby @DemocracyMattersALot The requesting around the Falkland Islands was a tad less polite, my point is mostly there are many such areas around the world, and the same process is used by map-makers.
@thias @angiebaby @DemocracyMattersALot once again: internationally there is no dispute. The "executive order" only applied to federal agencies inside the USA. The IHO and other organisations were never approached with a request for a name change.
@rozeboosje @angiebaby @DemocracyMattersALot I don’t remember Mexico being happy about that change. The fact of the matter is, one part of the US gouvernement claims this is now the official name. It happens to be the part that bombs other countries and operates concentration camps. So map companies comply. Yes there are lots of legal subtleties, nobody cares.
@thias @angiebaby @DemocracyMattersALot Of course they're not but all they've done is laugh in Lord Dampnut's (Donald Trump's) face. They didn't need to lodge a formal complaint with the IHO or the other organisations because they didn't need to.
Resistor McResistanceFace"sorry about the Fascism, it's not personal, it's just business" - Capitalism
if only we had the balls for a general strke
Tock@DemocracyMattersALot Still wrong. I'll turn in a correction for Gulf of Epstein.
Baron Vonskinnback@DemocracyMattersALot time to change the USA to the URA (United Rapists of the Americas) for everyone...
The Turtle
dino@DemocracyMattersALot What's the problem? America is not U.S.A. and Mexico is a country on the American continent.
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