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Stefan 'lerothas' D.

So OnlyOffice is not FOSS because of the AGPL additions that can't be met (you have to use the trademark, but aren't allowed to use the trademark). So EuroOffice can't be built legally.

LibreOffice and Collabora Office are in a fight about governance and contributions. The codebase is old.

"GNOME office" (Abiword, Gnumeric) isn't really developed anymore.

KDE Calligra Office is modern and beautiful, but lacking features.

I think I go back to LaTeX and markdown for all word processing documents. But for spreadsheets? I don't know yet. I will check Calligra Sheets, but I'm not tech savvy enough to contribute seriously.

#libreoffice #collaboraoffice #onlyoffice #eurooffice #texlatex #markdown #calligra #KDE #foss

kiwi46678 6h ago

@lerothas
Did you check https://github.com/cryptpad/cryptpad ?

Stefan 'lerothas' D.

@kiwi46678
No, but this is an online service - self hostable, but online.

I need an offline office suite. Without services or encryption (is on the disk) or else.

Andreas Zieritz 6h ago

@lerothas
LibreOffice works great so far, so I am not afraid of anything.

Besides that, the really important choice is which format you are using when saving your work.

If some other software is better in a couple of years, so be it.

Stefan 'lerothas' D.

@anthrazit
Well, I am. Collabora's employees are doing the most contributions to LibreOffice, but are now excluded from comittees and decisions. I'm unsure, how long LO can go without Collabora if they are pulling the plug from their side...

Andreas Zieritz 6h ago

For me it seems like a decision which needed to be done. In that case the open source and the commercial world couldn't be held together anymore.

Probably both of the projects thrive better once they are split.

Good article in German here...
https://forum.linuxguides.de/core/index.php?article/54-libreoffice-am-abgrund-wie-die-document-foundation-ihre-eigenen-gr%C3%BCnder-vor-die/

LibreOffice am Abgrund: Wie die Document Foundation ihre eigenen Gründer vor die Tür setzte - Linux Guides Community

LibreOffice steckt in der schwersten Krise seit seiner Gründung. Die Document Foundation hat im April 2026 über 30 Kernentwickler aus ihren Gremien ausgeschlossen - darunter die Leute, die fast die Hälfte des gesamten Codes geschrieben haben. Der Trick: Erst verklagt man den Partner, dann schliesst man seine Mitarbeiter mit Verweis auf die laufende Klage aus. Collabora, das Unternehmen hinter den ausgeschlossenen Entwicklern, schlägt mit einem eigenen Desktop-Produkt zurück, das technologisch einen klaren Bruch mit dem alten LibreOffice darstellt. Droht LibreOffice das gleiche Schicksal wie Apache OpenOffice? Eine Analyse der Eskalationsspirale - vom gescheiterten Branding-Experiment 2020 über den Krieg um die Cloud bis zum endgültigen Bruch im April 2026.

Linux Guides Community

Stefan 'lerothas' D.

@anthrazit
And we users are confronted with even more choices and developer powers are even more partitioned. We have enough projects with too less developers...

Andreas Zieritz 5h ago

@lerothas
That's what's been going on in the Linux world for decades.

How many distros are on the marked now?

Stefan 'lerothas' D.

@anthrazit Too many. And we always and already see the downfall of many of them. The newest is Ubuntu Mate.

I'm just sad about those conflicts that from my point of view could have been avoided, and unnecessary forks.

But sadly or gladly it isn't my decisions, because many projects would just have been gone right now, for example GNOME.

@lerothas the Oxford handbook on political ideologies has a very great quote:

> Politics—in
democratic societies—is based on general agreement on certain key concepts
like democracy, freedom, solidarity, welfare, progress, etc., but on deep
disagreement when it comes to giving substance and content to these concepts.
Politics is thus based on both agreement and disagreement. Without agreement
there is no political cohesion and framing of the political process but only
fragmentation. Without disagreement there is no politics. Without disagreement there is only administration of consensus. Politics
in democratic societies is not about consensus but about conflict and the search
for compromises, for positions of compatibility of the incompatible.

Any democratic project would always have participant with different targets. It's how FOSS works. Either you have a corpo, or FOSS... And FOSS is almost always much, much better, even with all that infighting.

Andreas Zieritz 3h ago

Many have come, and many have gone. But Linux still is the #1 in many areas, like supercomputing. And even on the PC its shares are increasing.

I'd say we'll wait a couple of months until the fog clears.

After all LibreOffice is in better shape than when the fork from OpenOffice happened. Back then there wasn't even the legal infrastructure or an organisation in place.

@anthrazit the article is very long. Sadly length is not necessarily a qualifier for quality. The author reflects a one-sided perspective and (intentionally?) harms TDF. LibreOffice and the legal and technical structures behind it are well built and resilient. A bundled web App (same as ONLYOFFICE) is not a reliable software solution. It's much worse than any Java dependency. @lerothas

Andreas Zieritz 11m ago

@Lioh @lerothas

I am not to judge if this article is one-sided or not - in my opinion it is well written.
But I agree with you that LibreOffice seems to be in good shape, and I am happy to continue my support.

More important than the question about which suite is better is the question about the format. And here I really hope that the OpenDocument format will continue its momentum and become the de facto standard for office documents.

BlitzErich 6h ago

@lerothas Geht es dir bei OnlyOffice ums FOSS? Ich hab mein Microsoft dadurch ersetzt und fühlte mich gut. Und jetzt hab ich wieder den Gedanken, ob das doch „falsch“ war. Weißt, wie ich mein?

Stefan 'lerothas' D.

@hobbypaedagoge
Absolut weiß ich das!

OnlyOffice ist schon lange unter Beschuss aufgrund seiner Verflechtungen nach Russland und damit die mögliche Unerreichbarkeit des Projekts, wenn es unter Sanktionen fällt.

Wenn man jetzt noch nicht mal den Code forken darf, dann war es das... :(

BlitzErich 6h ago

@lerothas Oh, das mit Russland wusste ich nicht. 😳😩
Dann wohl nach ner Alternative suchen.

Stefan 'lerothas' D.

@hobbypaedagoge
Tut mir leid. :(

Also die entwickelnde Firma sitzt in Litauen, glaube ich, aber die meisten Entwickler kommen aus Russland. Und so weiter...

BlitzErich 6h ago

@lerothas Als ich EuroOffice gelesen hatte, war ich schon voll hyped. Und dann kam der Nachsatz, dass sie eben Stress mit OnlyOffice haben. So ätzend.

PS: Ist doch gut, wenn du mir das sagst. Lieber so als anders. Und ich bin immer froh über mehr Wissen. Lerne täglich dazu. Und der erste Schritt (weg von MS) war ja gut.

Deep Pandya 6h ago

@lerothas What is meant by "Code base is old", is it applicable to Libre Office also?

Stefan 'lerothas' D.

@Pandya
As far as I read, LO's codebase is not "modern". But that is negligible.

skittles 4h ago

@lerothas > So EuroOffice can't be built legally.

This is just the *opinion* of #onlyoffice, that doesn’t make it true.

IONOS, the FSF (the organisation holding the copyright on the AGPLv3 licence), as well as the author of the AGPLv3 himself, have a *very different* opinion on this matter, i.e., that the requirements introduced by OO can simply be removed according to section 10 AGPLv3.

Until a court decides on the matter nobody knows for sure.