Daniel Neuman
Cat HicksWas just reminded that the last paper rejection I got included a reviewer comment: "too much psychology for a software engineer audience."
Feels like it should maybe be a new bio quote š it's absolutely true of me. It's absolutely true.
Me @ the academics though: YOU HAVE NO IDEA HOW MUCH PSYCHOLOGY IS BEING BEAMED DIRECTLY INTO MY SKULL IN EVERY TECH CONVERSATION. YOU HAVE NO IDEA. IT IS ACTUALLY TOO MUCH PSYCHOLOGY FOR A PSYCHOLOGIST. I THINK THE SOFTWARE ENGINEERS HAVE A HIGHER TOLERANCE THAN I DO
Journal review idea: you come with me to a tech conference and listen to just one hour of my personal hallway track then we'll see what work you think matters!!!!!!!!
Literally have to teach myself new little tech things just to give my mind a BREAK from being a psychologist š
Ype KingmaTolerance can also be an inability to recognise.
@KingmaYpe that's true....I do think there's a lot of distress overtolerance in tech
Deborah Preuss, pcc šØš¦@grimalkina @KingmaYpe for sure. Hero culture.
Morten@grimalkina I have a wonderful image in my mind of you with a tour guide hat and flag on a stick, showing psychologists around a conference. Half tour guide half David Attenborough maybe.
Marijke Luttekes@grimalkina Imagine if we had more psychology in software engineeringā¦ that would solve so many issues.
One of the problems that would be solved is website usability, as that requires some knowledge of the human mind.
I recently wrote about that in this article:
(Link posted with @grimalkina's permission.)
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@mahryekuh @grimalkina You say that, but thereās a lot is psychology in certain game companies and itās used for a lot of evil.
@ainmosni @grimalkina Do you mean addictive patterns?
Because I didn't even think about that, but that's definitely a real problem.
Same with addictive social media timelines.
Guess Big Tech is better at using psychology for evil than for good?
TinDrum@grimalkina @mahryekuh @ainmosni canāt that be said for psych outside of clinical contexts broadly..? marketing, propaganda etc
@oscarjiminy @mahryekuh @ainmosni those are usually far less psych and far more pseudoscience to be honest. Plenty to blame UX for, and UX isn't psych.
grillchen@grimalkina @oscarjiminy @mahryekuh @ainmosni friend worked at a newspaper in customer handling.
they had to do a 3 days course to "learn how to sell". it was by some pseudo science guru who sold "psychology".
the gist was every human is one of 4 animals (whales, sharks, owls, and dolphins).
screenshot of the website machine translated for laughs added. (original german side: https://www.tobias-beck.com/persoenlichkeitstest/)
studies? 0. sources? 0. any empiric approach? nah.
it is "trust me bro" and "customers who trust us".
not the truth prevails here, but what sounds good in some pitch meeting.
they had to do a 3 days course to "learn how to sell". it was by some pseudo science guru who sold "psychology".
the gist was every human is one of 4 animals (whales, sharks, owls, and dolphins).
screenshot of the website machine translated for laughs added. (original german side: https://www.tobias-beck.com/persoenlichkeitstest/)
studies? 0. sources? 0. any empiric approach? nah.
it is "trust me bro" and "customers who trust us".
not the truth prevails here, but what sounds good in some pitch meeting.
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Parsingphase@grimalkina As a Software Engineer I am offended, I've already had to be confused by networking, FinTech and genetics in my career, why should I be denied being confused by psychology, too?
Scott Wilson
Martin Owens 
"too phycho for tech"
Barry Schwartz š«@grimalkina Maybe the stuff is too good for the journals.
@chemoelectric backalley open access preprints you can quietly give your friends is where my best work is, truly. I think the highest quality work and writing I've done is contained in these preprints
@grimalkina In fundamental physics you cannot find quality stuff at all in the āeliteā journals. There they publish only utter nonsense.
(Iām not a physicist, thank goodness. A retired computer programmer with an engineering education, but who dabbles in a few physics topics without publishing except from a soapbox. But I do subscribe to the ACM Digital Library!)
@grimalkina I write code. I lace my code and READMEs with āpsychologicalā commentary. Lately it has been stuff about how, no, it is not Rā·RS Scheme that is reactionary, it is Rā¶RS Scheme that was reactionary, because it rejected the SRFIs. I actually stick this stuff in my libraries because I think it explains a lot.
Paco Hope@grimalkina āPlease do not bring introspection to this audience. They do not want to think about the ramifications of their work.ā
Ron Jeffries@grimalkina
I suppose I spent many years thinking software dev was pure tech. I was quite mistaken .... and still prefer the tech bits.
I suppose I spent many years thinking software dev was pure tech. I was quite mistaken .... and still prefer the tech bits.
Christopher Neugebauer@grimalkina (remind me to encourage you to come to #NBPy next year š)
Kevin Granade@grimalkina smells a lot like "too political".
Nick@grimalkina I think software engineers underrate how often they are actually talking about psychology (or human behavioral science more generally). In my experience, it's a pretty significant proportion of the time.
Adrian Howard@grimalkina Put it on the book jacket. Only half joking :-)
Fredrik Bjƶreman@grimalkina "You get the amount you need, not the amount you want."
Ned Batchelder@grimalkina I did a whole PyCon keynote that was 90% psychology (and 10% typesetting history).
Dave bauer@nedbat Oh what was that called, I need to watch it (is there a video?)
@davebauerart There is! https://nedbatchelder.com/text/key23 I hope you like it.
Guillaume Rossolini@grimalkina Iām quite convinced that software engineers welcome a variety of points of view, thanks