The passive income movement was a fantasy about not having to give a shit. This is a terrible foundation for pretty much anything.

https://www.joanwestenberg.com/the-passive-income-trap-ate-a-generation-of-entrepreneurs/

The "Passive Income" trap ate a generation of entrepreneurs

I had coffee last year with a guy - I won't use his real name - who told me he was "building a business." I asked what it did. Dropshipping jade face rollers. I made him say it twice. Jade face rollers. He'd found them on Alibaba for $1.20

Westenberg.

@Daojoan I think most people are seduced by "passive income" not as in they don't want to contribute, but instead as a form of security. If income is passive, then you cannot be fired.

It of course isn't true, but I suspect this is the underlying motivation for most.

Or well, it would be for me, maybe I'm weird, but I do think I'm still pretty human.

@danbrotherston @Daojoan I always considered passive income to be dividends.
@danbrotherston @Daojoan I think this is the normal human response, but given the flaunting of wealth in these circles I doubt they caught on.
@danbrotherston @Daojoan that’s how I feel about it, but most passive income seems exploitative, whether you’re tricking people into buying a product that they don’t need and/or exploiting cheap labor to build/maintain the product.
@Daojoan It is still happening... with AI.
@BubblegumYeti @Daojoan I have to deal with people who seriously prompt ChatGPT with "make me money out of nothing" and expect it to work.

@BubblegumYeti Yes, that's addressed by Joan in her piece.

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The “construct or assemble a system of extraction” has been equated to income (passive or active investment by the owner) rather than building a sustainable system of value to others. Unfortunately, the tools to build both are the same, the differentiator is the addressing needs of others is how you get people to pay you.
@dahukanna @Daojoan That's a really insightful perspective.
@Daojoan the fantasy about not wanting to give a shit and thinking things will work out anyway sums up how Trump is in office again. It's the enshittification of people
@Daojoan 🤔 I think my wife got one of those jade rollers...

@Daojoan They fail 5 to 10 times and then start blaming it on women, migrants or everybody else.

We all had this already once in the 90s withe everyone and his uncle having online stores. But it was a lot more work back then...

At least that guy is only 800$ down. This can be a lot more expensive.

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I didn't know "jade face roller" was a thing 🤷
@Daojoan I live on passive income. I got it by pursuing an advanced degree, getting really good at what I do, and then working 60 hours/week for someone else while saving 75% of my income for several years, which I used to buy index funds. I wish I could say I provided meaningful value during that time, but that'd be a stretch. I'm trying to do meaningful work now, but it doesn't pay well, hence the living on passive income.

@Daojoan of course the only “real” passive income business is to have a large pile of money and assets like a certain class of all too common landlord that nearly everyone has rented from, but that requires too much capital “to step into”, so of course they started grasping at ways they too could get away with giving no shits.

I have no idea why you would want this either. As you observe; my entire business is successful on giving a shit so that we are invited back.

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I came to mention landlords too, as if flipping property or extracting crushing rents is passive. Only if you don't care about the property, or the tenants.
@Daojoan thank you for writing and posting this article describing a movement I did not know about. I see some interesting parallels with multilevel marketing as described in the excellent book "Little Bosses Everywhere".

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Thank you, and delighted to hear jade roller guy was only $800 down.
Signed, guy who switched to meaningful work 17 years ago and am thankful every exhausting, difficult, frustrating af day.

@Daojoan I think this is part of a larger picture. The central issue seems to be that it is not easy to find work that 1) is meaningful/valuable, 2) pays the bills, 3) one does not hate performing and 4) one is able to do.

My own opinion, and I may be wrong, is that we have constructed our societies and education systems to provide people with skills that are mostly valuable for someone else, i.e. they do not provide autonomy for an individual.

@Daojoan So, if we are cynical about it, the choice is roughly between a bullshit job, constant worry about money, or these mostly immoral schemes you describe so well.

@Daojoan At the risk of sounding like a bot, I wanted to say that was a great article and I really enjoyed reading it. Thank you for writing it.

I particularly liked the beach bit and the blender bit. I found the article because @mia boosted it. I'm sad that my view of the Internet has declined to the level that I'm worried about looking like a bot for sending unsolicited enthusiasm.

@Daojoan On one hand, "passive". On the other, not so much: a sustainable range.

A byproduct of single solve mindset education, is to erroneously fixate on one value set. And while this tends to lend more profit for the wealthy in more subjugated masses, it eventually spells disaster for most ecosystems.

@Daojoan Our entire culture has been hollowed out by this thinking. And not just by fly-by-night dropshippers- people with MBAs from prestigious schools. This notion that nothing matters but the bottom line, and delivering as little as legally allowable is the correct and smart thing to do. The result is a negative feedback loop where the only thing that can compete is the shittiest thing. It's a race to the bottom and we all lose.

@Daojoan It arguably looks a lot like conspiracy-theory entrepreneurship: the idea that there's a simple, but 'secret' in a contrarian they-don't-want-you-to-know sort of way, area where the game is rigged in your favor; hidden between the visible realms of being the man and grinding for the man.

Very much like the 'alternative medicine'; where there's some relatively trivial(compared to real medicine) miracle cure just quietly hiding out where you can find it but pharma R&D can't, for reasons.

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I deal with this so often and it’s exhausting. It’s like talking to a Scientologist. AI has only made it worse because now it looks like they have a strategy or have thought about it, even though they don’t and haven’t.

Can you tell a compelling story? What is your strategy for serving your customers better than the market? How are you going to win?

I’m sick of this build-it-and-they-will-come bullshit.

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@Daojoan In youtube the passive income trip is alive and well. There are thousands of "Cash-cow" or "automation" channels.
I suspect 99% of them are $800 in the hole.
I did work producing animated kids slop for one, a few months' gig, the channel was making some views but not enough to break even.
YouTube is mostly an MLM: Them, then a few lucky people doing money by making relevant content with care, and a huge pyramid base of people pouring their own resources to make free stuff to fill YT.