@Netraven @mcnado

yeah but despite all of the shadow money we can still vote

especially in the primaries coming up

so many elections are decided by such a small percentage

and such a large percentage don't vote

yeah not all of them are leftists but if leftists did show up imagine the difference

the problem is this sort of mindless cynicism, that something is inevitable. it's not

vote, assholes

why would anyone give dark money what it wants by not voting?

@Pine_Affinity @Netraven @mcnado

you don't vote for them

you show up in the primaries and you replace them

the problem is this "dems suck" whine then people don't show up in the primaries out of useless pathetic indolence. so nothing changes

@Pine_Affinity @Netraven @mcnado

this is an inversion of responsibility

if you vote, the party answers to you

if you don't vote, the party answers to dark money and spineless centrists who do vote

if we vote, we may fail. if we don't vote, we *will* fail. so why would you want to define your political consciousness as acceptance of fascism? you understand that is what your cynical "unlikely" is about right? cynicism is acceptance. do you accept fascism? i don't think so. so vote

@Pine_Affinity @Netraven @mcnado

by voting

sitting back and passing your responsibility to dem leadership to magically change is absurdity

i am confused why you think that's a valid position

you mob the primaries, you replace them

proof it works?

mamdani

dem centrists opposed him every step of the way. and yet he won

how?

because people showed the fuck up

you have to change the way you think about the problem

don't depend upon assholes who will never change to change

vote

Asking them to eject a leader who illegally and unconditionally supports a genocidal nation is wanting magic?

This should be the bare minimum to exist as a political party much less a human being.

@benroyce @Netraven @mcnado

@Pine_Affinity @Netraven @mcnado

if no one on the left shows up, spineless corporatist dems win, because spineless corporatist dems show up to vote

but what you are saying is you want people you know are rotten to the core to suddenly and magically grow a conscience and resign?

rather than, you know, just getting off your ass and voting them out?

that's the way it works

why would you argue against the only way to remove them, and argue for a behavior which ensures their continuing power?

Because that doesn’t work.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/chuck-schumer-resign-democrats-b2720088.html

@benroyce @Netraven @mcnado

@JakeKb @Pine_Affinity @Netraven @mcnado

a 3rd party divides the left vote and ensures MAGA domination

we need to take over the democrats. i don't like it. it's just the most feasible option

the problem with international observers like yourself is you come from a different voting system

the usa is FPTP

meaning there will only ever be 2 parties (we need RCV to fix that)

it's not corruption, it's math

educate yourself before commenting on the matter next time:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duverger%27s_law

Incredible to think that people who can’t stand to vote for Genocide Party A are the ones who are doing the dividing.
This party is not reformable.
I will see you in another year when Schumer is still leader.

@benroyce @JakeKb @Netraven @mcnado

@Pine_Affinity @JakeKb @Netraven @mcnado

and that's on you. because you didn't show up in the primaries to vote him out

@roger @JakeKb @Netraven @mcnado

some people don't care about fixing the world or righting wrongs

their primary concern is rationalizing to themselves their entitlement to sit it out and whine

they don't want to sully their magical sense of purity. their self-regard is their highest concern, they do not care if the country is fascist. as long as they get to say "not my fault" when we're going to concentration camps. even though it is their fault, because they did not participate

@JakeKb @benroyce @Netraven @mcnado yes, an not voting is going so well? You really made the world so much safer staying home? Palestine is free? You refuse to listen to Ben's clear plan to use the existing *clearly flawed* political machinery to drag the Overton window to the left. Good lord, no one has said the democratic party is going to magically fix the world.

Sulking is just obeying in advance. You're either a troll or willfully ignorant.

@JakeKb

You don't care which president sends the bombs? If you think Palestine would have suffered as much under Harris, you're delusional. She wasn't the one who wanted to turn Gaza into the Riviera of the Middle East. She also wouldn't have attacked and threatened numerous countries in less than a year and a half. And screwed Ukraine.

Adults frequently have to choose between bad options. Pretending that you don't literally makes everything worse.

@roger @benroyce @Netraven @mcnado

@JakeKb @dnkboston @roger @benroyce @Netraven @mcnado

So you thought, since you're comfortable, you can sit on your moral high horse and PUNISH the minorities in the US because they didn't have thew numbers to make the Dems pure enough for YOU.

LGBT, PoC, and immigrants are all suffering and because of narcissistic fucks like you, we are now fighting for our own lives so we have less resources to fight for Palestine and Ukraine.

All of that is on you. Grow the fuck up.