@Netraven @mcnado

yeah but despite all of the shadow money we can still vote

especially in the primaries coming up

so many elections are decided by such a small percentage

and such a large percentage don't vote

yeah not all of them are leftists but if leftists did show up imagine the difference

the problem is this sort of mindless cynicism, that something is inevitable. it's not

vote, assholes

why would anyone give dark money what it wants by not voting?

@Pine_Affinity @Netraven @mcnado

you don't vote for them

you show up in the primaries and you replace them

the problem is this "dems suck" whine then people don't show up in the primaries out of useless pathetic indolence. so nothing changes

@Pine_Affinity @Netraven @mcnado

this is an inversion of responsibility

if you vote, the party answers to you

if you don't vote, the party answers to dark money and spineless centrists who do vote

if we vote, we may fail. if we don't vote, we *will* fail. so why would you want to define your political consciousness as acceptance of fascism? you understand that is what your cynical "unlikely" is about right? cynicism is acceptance. do you accept fascism? i don't think so. so vote

@Pine_Affinity @Netraven @mcnado

by voting

sitting back and passing your responsibility to dem leadership to magically change is absurdity

i am confused why you think that's a valid position

you mob the primaries, you replace them

proof it works?

mamdani

dem centrists opposed him every step of the way. and yet he won

how?

because people showed the fuck up

you have to change the way you think about the problem

don't depend upon assholes who will never change to change

vote

Asking them to eject a leader who illegally and unconditionally supports a genocidal nation is wanting magic?

This should be the bare minimum to exist as a political party much less a human being.

@benroyce @Netraven @mcnado

@Pine_Affinity @Netraven @mcnado

if no one on the left shows up, spineless corporatist dems win, because spineless corporatist dems show up to vote

but what you are saying is you want people you know are rotten to the core to suddenly and magically grow a conscience and resign?

rather than, you know, just getting off your ass and voting them out?

that's the way it works

why would you argue against the only way to remove them, and argue for a behavior which ensures their continuing power?

Because that doesn’t work.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/chuck-schumer-resign-democrats-b2720088.html

@benroyce @Netraven @mcnado

@mikelovesbikes @JakeKb @Pine_Affinity @Netraven @mcnado

and people who speak from a position of ignorance on the usa voting system like jake are not helping. in fact what they argue for only helps MAGA

@JakeKb @benroyce @Pine_Affinity @Netraven @mcnado Americans aren't exceptional in the sense that humans are the same wherever and whenever they are. They react to the same material conditions the same way.

Americans (and Westerners in general) are exceptional in the sense that we currently live under material conditions that apparently prevent the vast majority of people from taking anything seriously. That's unprecedented in history. The solutions that worked for other people in the past will therefore not work.

You can't organise a general strike in a country where at least 95% of the people in each city are ruthlessly committed to doing the bare minimum of everything. We'll have to figure out something else.

@mikelovesbikes @JakeKb @benroyce @Pine_Affinity @Netraven @mcnado > apparently prevent the vast majority of people from taking anything seriously.

Those conditions are: most of the time your life is not in immediate danger as it would be if you lived in Gaza.

There are a lot of things you can apparently do to improve your individual material circumstances. Therefore those who try and fail blame themselves.

There are very few things you can do to improve the society.

Individuals 1/2