@can yeah, you will find the same in all of our eID / wallet apps in BE and NL. We're fully independent and yet somehow I can't file my taxes if us-east-1 goes down.
@iamkonstantin @can Do you have some eid/tax-on-web domains that are linked to amazon as an example ? I was trying to find some but they all came back to smals / belnet.
@tnt @can not the domains, I meant more like infrastructure behind the apps - you will find things like firebase, aws, azure and one of our most popular bank apps has meta based analytics and marketing sdks :)

@iamkonstantin @can while true, I still wouldn't be too harsh - as the saying goes "Rome wasn't built in one day". And if you have the ecosystem migrating from one cloud operator town another is somewhat simpler then inventing whole payment system over night.

Besides - our current cloud offering is still developing :/

@wojtek yeahhh it's better than nothing, but if you're already putting in the work, why not do it properly? @iamkonstantin

@can @iamkonstantin resource constraint / availability?

Sadly whole "cloud market" is dominated by usanian big tech... there is OVH, Scalloway and German Lidl / Swartz (if memory serves me right) but It may not be enough. Also - there is a high chance that the tech team WSS more familiar with established stack, so to push the effort "out of the gate" they opted for AWS...

I do want tj feel optimistic that in the meantime they are evaluating alternatives... (not tj mention that AWS is absurdly overpriced...)

@wojtek @can @iamkonstantin
Same here, I'm staying optimistic and as soon as Wero is available at my bank I'll still sign up :)
The European cloud in general is still in the works I believe - f.e. STACKIT only just started working on their cloud offering and that obviously takes time to build out...
@can Am I correct to asume this says Wero is hosted on aws?
@WolframZell yes, at least parts of it. Obviously can't say how much exactly, but we can probably all guess.
@can Thanks for clarifying. 👍
@can let's push #gnutaler here, again
@can Also (if my noob butt didn't mishandle things)
@can
There isn't just one Wero.
@can
"Get started by downloading our app:"
- Play Store link
- Apple store link
- <no alternatives provided>
@schmittlauch @can Well, it is usually integrated in your banking app and you should be independent of the actual WERO app. Banking apps, however, have their own trust and identity requirements and are probably not on the alternative app stores as well.
@axeln
Exactly. I have found neither
- banking apps that are officially downloadable from somewhere else than G/A
- Wero-enabled banks offering that functionality in their web banking, it's exclusively available in the mobile apps
@can
@can Try wero-wallet.eu; which is anyway protected, and refers to a Belgian company

@luc0x61

whois $(dig +short wero-wallet.eu)|grep OrgName
OrgName: DigitalOcean, LLC

:)

@can Well, that's the ASN. It's unlikely that registering an European site will at once sweep away every non-EU network operator, including those ones having data centers in UK.

@luc0x61 it's great that you know what an ASN is, but you apparently don't really understand how networks work. It's up to the domain owner to decide which server operator to use. Wero chose Digital Ocean. This means, they signed up at an US company, purchased US services and configured their domain to point to these US services.

They could have used Hetzner, OVH, Scaleway or any other European cloud provider. If they had, the DNS entry for these IPs would return the respective EU company's name, instead of an US one.

They made a choice here.

@can I guess that back when they chose DigitalOcean they were happy with the fact it was only "located" in Europe with their branch (I see it's in Amsterdam, not UK as I thought).
Then there are many stupid and meaningless things done in Brussels, like when the EU proposed the survey to support open software to be reported in xlsx format...
For my personal things I choose only EU/EFTA businesses, maybe european bureaucrats should be taught better too. 🤷‍♂️
@can Posted from your Apple/Android phone...
@lbcp What a perfect opportunity to post this:
@can das ist nicht PFäNEU-compliant 
@can IIRC it also won't work without Google Play Services (microG doesn't fix this)

@can that command doesn't work for me tho

dig +short pay.weropay.eu | xargs -n1 whois | grep OrgName

does the job

@can Also only runs on US-controlled operating systems (iOS and Android).

@can it is a marathon, not a sprint.
So yeah, almost anything still uses us tech under the hood. But is a good start to begin with, developing european APIs fist.

We already had it done the wrong way around with GAIA-X which still is looking for use cases.

@can @ploum particularly disappointing these days when there’s many actually European alternatives right now like Stackit…