Right wing tech bros: we love Star Trek but it's too woke nowadays. Too preachy. Kirk's show wasn't like this.
Average TOS episode: AI is bad and should never be allowed to run a society. Also, make peace because nationalism kills and every life form must be respected equally.
RWTB: Oh but surely Picard's Enterprise wasn't like this.
Average TNG Episode: Will Riker is falling for a trans person from an agender society. Meanwhile, the genius Black disabled chief engineer and his autism-coded android best friend just saved another planet through science education.
RWTB: Yes but look at all the fighting and war in Deep Space Nine! That's not woke!
Average DS9 episode: The Black captain is having visions from the prophets about fighting racism and his canonically trans best friend is talking with the first officer and chief engineer about their polycule.
RWTB: BUT BUT VOYAGER WASN'T WOKE!!
Average Voyager Episode: The Doctor travels to a capitalist society where he teaches the people about the need for universal health care as the Captain is holding a hearing on whether Q has a right to bodily autonomy.
Well at least there's not an episode of TNG where they unfreeze a capitalist from centuries ago and he's a complete blowhard who's unable to adjust to a society not based around capital and profit-seeking.
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They really should have made him ambassador to the Ferrengi.
@theleftistlawyer What I found amusing in the very first seasons of the Star Trek television series was Kirk's declaration that there was no concept of money in society.
This was in an episode where the USS Enterprise is transported back in time to World War II. I found that surprising.
@theleftistlawyer Enterprise: chief engineer gets pregnant after he plays in the squishy mind sharing gel.
Same guy to doctor in a different situation: "I think your wife is hitting on me." "OH! YOU LUCKY MAN!!! You gonna say yes? Say yes, you gotta say yes! You will NOT regret it!"
Seriously. Everyone at NASA I worked with loved Star Trek and was working towards that kind of future. They recognized the problems and challenges, but they really believed that future.
Although people in the commercial tech industry love to trot out sci fi references as if it's some kind of credential, they consistently get it wrong, making the dystopian stuff come true instead.
You just cannot get to The Federation by building SkyNet. It's not possible.
@cyberlyra @theleftistlawyer I like Star Trek, but my Orville knowledge is more complete (it's also a mere three seasons heh). This reminds me of one of my favorite moments in the series, and I've been thinking about it a lot lately. "You get all this by becoming better people."
I hope we can become better people.
@theorangetheme @cyberlyra @theleftistlawyer
Been debating on watching more video. A rewatch of The Orville is sounding good. Such a good show, and I've only seen it once. Thanks for the reminder, and the pics/text for encouragement :^)
Bros are all villain of the week guys.
@cyberlyra @theleftistlawyer
> You just cannot get to The Federation by building SkyNet
Defeating the SkyNet now being built is IMO the neccessary and unevitable stage to the future free Federation of the known Universe. So often humanity must be stripped of convenience and pushed to the extreme austerity for the survivors to see the new path now unimaginable.
Ah, BTW, the Warp Drive is now something achievable:
https://thedebrief.org/meet-the-man-behind-nasa-and-darpas-warp-drive-programs/
@JTinMI @theleftistlawyer Binge watched TOS recently.
There's a quick moment in an early episode. The turbolift doors open to reveal Uhura. She shoots a look to the two white male lower-ranking crewmembers who were waiting for the lift, and they step out of her way.
This at a time when black people had to step out of white people's way on the sidewalk.
Subtle but powerful.
@theleftistlawyer I heard a long time ago, don’t know if true (probably not), that Roddenberry originally wanted to make a non-scifi about social injustices and such but was rejected – so he put it in space instead.
Whether true or not, that’s how I view TOS. I mean there’s literally an episode about half-black-half-white being racist to half-white-half-black people of their own species… many if not most episodes are extremely thinly veiled social commentary.
Star Trek used to be cool but now it’s woke!
RATM used to be cool but now it’s woke!
Jesus used to be cool but now He’s woke!
🙄
TOS even had a full episode on why it was a good thing to punch nazis and never a good thing to copy them. A full fucking episode.
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"Patterns Of Force"
@theleftistlawyer Point #2 on this list is fun! https://mix979fm.com/ten-things-you-didnt-know-star-trek-creator-gene-roddenberry/
I worked on Star Trek, and right-wingers are not very smart. 😂
Kirk’s anti-AI slop speeches were so elegant, AI would realize the error of their ways and immediately freeze up or commit suicide.
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