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Owlet of MinervaI’ll say this for Pope Leo, the man knows how to subtoot
Refs:
- https://www.vaticannews.va/en/pope/news/2026-03/pope-leo-xiv-celebrates-palm-sunday-mass-rome.html
WorldTravelerAll7@noctuaminervae to be fair, Jesus doesn't listen to any prayers, because Jesus has been dead for 2000 years
BallisticPunk@noctuaminervae Maybe Jesus would be MAGA. We dont really know the guy tbh
@Imgoneinpeace @noctuaminervae Jesus is literally the people that MAGA shout should get out. Jesus is literally the people that ICE kidnap while they're taking their kids to school. Jesus are the people shoved onto planes to hostile countries living in Hell on Earth torture conditions because they had a tattoo in honor of a cousin with a disability.
No matter what measure you use, MAGA are the embodiment of evil — followers of the antichrist — if you apply religious meaning to any of this.
@Imgoneinpeace @noctuaminervae I say this as an atheist: every single teaching of the Jesus of the Christian Bible preaches against everything that is being done in the name of white Christian nationalism in America — and yes, other countries too.
@nazokiyoubinbou @noctuaminervae but the bible does defend and protect slavery so...
@Imgoneinpeace @noctuaminervae Alright, if you want to get down to an individual point by point basis, yes there are some things it defends (especially the old testament, though then supposedly the point of Christianity is following the new testament over the old.)
But the fundamental point remains the same. Christianity teaches things such as helping the needy, not locking them up or killing them, feeding the poor, etc etc. In almost every meaningful way it really is the opposite.
@Imgoneinpeace @noctuaminervae And don't get me wrong. I'm not defending Christianity. I already said I'm an atheist. Clearly I can't get along with it. I'm merely pointing out the freaking stupid level of hypocrisy involved in pretending that this is all somehow "ok" according to their religion.
(As a side note, my favorite is all this is built on Evangelism, which is the thing that made the Jesus of the Bible so mad he had to flip over tables and hand make a whip to hit people with.)
skaphle@Imgoneinpeace @nazokiyoubinbou @noctuaminervae The bible doesn't, people do. If they look around and put meaning into some words and not others, they can defend almost anything.
But this is already a broader scope. The original topic was Jesus and you talk about the bible. There's a lot more than Jesus in the bible. You could make a point if you find Jesus defending slavery in the bible though. Do you?
@skaphle @Imgoneinpeace @noctuaminervae The Old Testament excuses slavery, even setting down some rules over it.
I don't think off the top of my head that the New Testament and specifically that Jesus ever did however. Christianity generally puts the New Testament and Jesus ahead though, so sometimes points from the Old Testament are considered *not* correct anymore in Christianity.
Patch You Up@nazokiyoubinbou @skaphle @Imgoneinpeace @noctuaminervae I think because Jesus professed that he came to uphold the old laws it's fair to say they are fair game when criticizing his teachings. He specifically elevated the ones about having no other gods/worshipping only the one god, but he specifically said they all apply because upholding them is in service of god.
@Jumpmed @nazokiyoubinbou @skaphle @noctuaminervae did he said it tho? Cause it seems to me, writing the bible, a lot of people put a lot of words in jesus mouth. I think the only person who potrait jesus realistically is judas.
@Imgoneinpeace @Jumpmed @skaphle The Bible is written by humans and they were living in two *VERY* different times. You can argue it was dictated from above, but the hands were human.
If you can't accept the written as true you can't accept *ANY* of it...
Anyway, in the texts, several times he admitted some old way was wrong and changed a lot of "old laws." Christians need that because the old testament is... not very civilized or moral by today's civilization's standards.
@Imgoneinpeace @Jumpmed @skaphle Agreed. For a perfect text it sure is imperfect — even with contradictions, logic errors, and impossible things.
It's a product of its times and I think it's shockingly wrong that people think that anything it sets down should be considered absolute law. Times change. The world changes. But ancient texts don't. (At least not directly.) Morals and laws must adapt as society and the world changes, not be treated as absolute, set in stone.
Duckbilled Plattypus.@noctuaminervae Chicago guy. He don't F around even when wearing clerical robes.
Hugs4friends ♾🇺🇦 🇵🇸😷@noctuaminervae The Crusaders weren't right. They were zealous arseholes on horseback.
Michael B. JohnsonI do love me a Pope from the South Side of Chicago…
Nomdeb@noctuaminervae NO fan of religion because I think the world would be a million times better off without any of it. But ROCK ON to this particular pope. :)
Kristen@nomdeb @noctuaminervae Why? All he's saying is that God is an asshole with selective hearing. Who the fuck needs that? #ReligionPoisonsEverything
VladimirN@kristen_d
And btw how does he know that j or anybody else listen to any prayer ?
ChookMother 🇦🇺🦘@noctuaminervae Hegseth is so very, very far from knowing what Jesus was on about. Where on earth does he get this stuff?
@anne_twain Well, his prayer, as quoted in the above piece, is from Psalm 18:37–41, mostly, with a side order of Isaiah 9:4 ("rod of the oppressor", referring to Gideon's victory over the Midianites in Judges 6–7). The charming bit about "breaking the teeth of the ungodly" is from Psalm 58:6. All very Old Testament.
Su_G@noctuaminervae
Thanks 🙏🏻 for decoding Whisky Pete’s ravings; felt like Old Testament but good to have it confirmed by someone who can quote chapter & verse. When does he move on to the New Testament I wonder… perhaps it’s too complex for him. 🤔
@anne_twain
@noctuaminervae I really meant where did he get the idea that Jesus would want this stuff done in his name? When I went to Sunday School, I was told that Jesus said to forget all the old scriptures and replace it with tolerance, forgiveness and turning the other cheek. I'm a Buddhist now, but I was raised by a father who read his bible every day, so I'm fairly well versed in this stuff.
@anne_twain Apologies for the mansplaining!
skuaPoor Petie. An alcohol ravaged brain, patsie-level comprehension and too many war comics up against 1500 years of "language as a weapon".
mittelgeek@noctuaminervae This song comes to mind.
Who Would Jesus Bomb?
https://youtu.be/VIFJltb8hcg?si=VjsMzEAASTsg2gro
