Owlet of MinervaI’ll say this for Pope Leo, the man knows how to subtoot
BallisticPunk@noctuaminervae Maybe Jesus would be MAGA. We dont really know the guy tbh
Nazo@Imgoneinpeace @noctuaminervae Jesus is literally the people that MAGA shout should get out. Jesus is literally the people that ICE kidnap while they're taking their kids to school. Jesus are the people shoved onto planes to hostile countries living in Hell on Earth torture conditions because they had a tattoo in honor of a cousin with a disability.
No matter what measure you use, MAGA are the embodiment of evil — followers of the antichrist — if you apply religious meaning to any of this.
@Imgoneinpeace @noctuaminervae I say this as an atheist: every single teaching of the Jesus of the Christian Bible preaches against everything that is being done in the name of white Christian nationalism in America — and yes, other countries too.
@nazokiyoubinbou @noctuaminervae but the bible does defend and protect slavery so...
skaphle@Imgoneinpeace @nazokiyoubinbou @noctuaminervae The bible doesn't, people do. If they look around and put meaning into some words and not others, they can defend almost anything.
But this is already a broader scope. The original topic was Jesus and you talk about the bible. There's a lot more than Jesus in the bible. You could make a point if you find Jesus defending slavery in the bible though. Do you?
@skaphle @Imgoneinpeace @noctuaminervae The Old Testament excuses slavery, even setting down some rules over it.
I don't think off the top of my head that the New Testament and specifically that Jesus ever did however. Christianity generally puts the New Testament and Jesus ahead though, so sometimes points from the Old Testament are considered *not* correct anymore in Christianity.
Patch You Up@nazokiyoubinbou @skaphle @Imgoneinpeace @noctuaminervae I think because Jesus professed that he came to uphold the old laws it's fair to say they are fair game when criticizing his teachings. He specifically elevated the ones about having no other gods/worshipping only the one god, but he specifically said they all apply because upholding them is in service of god.
@Jumpmed @nazokiyoubinbou @skaphle @noctuaminervae did he said it tho? Cause it seems to me, writing the bible, a lot of people put a lot of words in jesus mouth. I think the only person who potrait jesus realistically is judas.
@Imgoneinpeace @Jumpmed @skaphle The Bible is written by humans and they were living in two *VERY* different times. You can argue it was dictated from above, but the hands were human.
If you can't accept the written as true you can't accept *ANY* of it...
Anyway, in the texts, several times he admitted some old way was wrong and changed a lot of "old laws." Christians need that because the old testament is... not very civilized or moral by today's civilization's standards.
@Imgoneinpeace @Jumpmed @skaphle Agreed. For a perfect text it sure is imperfect — even with contradictions, logic errors, and impossible things.
It's a product of its times and I think it's shockingly wrong that people think that anything it sets down should be considered absolute law. Times change. The world changes. But ancient texts don't. (At least not directly.) Morals and laws must adapt as society and the world changes, not be treated as absolute, set in stone.