A weird thing happened with my chronic pain issues recently..
I had cardiac arrest.

As the pain of that trauma subsides and my nervous system re-establishes connections and functionality, I notice that my other chronic pain issues have not returned.
Will this last? 🤷🏼‍♂️🤞

⚠️Naturally, I do not recommend cardiac arrest, but it does make me wonder..
Is a system reboot of some sort a key to treatment of chronic pain? 🤔

#ChronicPain #Health #Science #HealthCare #Medical #PainTreatment

Any Neurologists out there willing to weigh in with a theory?
#Neurology #NeuroScience

@dabertime

This might be helpful in answering your questions. You might basically be correct, or at least on the right track:

https://youtu.be/eVFwByHCGPE?is=1mg9IBoQHd3u0nMp

You’ve been lied to about pain—here’s the truth | Science Quickly Podcast

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@gon133 I learned through my time at the chronic pain clinic that I react badly to ketamine. It is even listed as an allergen in my file as it is occasionally used as a general anesthetic for surgery.
But the science is definitely interesting and promising.
@dabertime That sucks. The article even mentions that with phenotypic screenings needed and individual reactions being unpredictable. I hope your relief persists.
@dabertime https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC12770001/
tldr: That's a good question (Will it return?). We're still learning the exact mechanisms of pain.
I'm glad you're ok.
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@dabertime Wow that's weird and awesome at the same time. For sure not recommended but bonus.
@Alison Yeah, I don't actually recommend such an extreme version of the ol' "have you tried turning it off, then back on again" but it is interesting.
@dabertime I wonder if just a trip with the paddles would do it?
@Alison I wonder about that too.
I actually had that to reset wonky heart rhythm a couple days before the total shutdown event.. so not long enough to test the theory.
@dabertime Is the pain psychosomatic rather than physiological, and was the cardiac arrest a placebo that diverted attention from the pain?
@howking Pain changes pain, so no doubt a bit of both. Time will tell with the diversion.
@dabertime I hope you never feel any pain again.

@dabertime Pot generally does not work for me. But the few times is has, I've noticed something about pain.

I have dentures now, but as my teeth got worse, of course I had sore spots and painful areas. But just like listening to a conversation in a crowded room, sometimes you're able to tune some things out, especially if they're low-level and constant.

Some people use pot to help with pain. I didn't exactly find that experience. For me, it was like pot reset my sensation of pain, so that things which I was aware of hurting at the time, like a current headache, might dim, while other pains I'd forgotten about, like a low dull ache that I'd learned to tune out would be noticed all over again as if fresh.

Your story reminded me of that.

@dabertime Wow, that opens up a big conversation! NDE's can be...enlightening. I've had too many to think we are not different, returning from the precipice.

@dabertime

Wow, that is a really interesting "side effect". I am very, very pleased you've recovered from the arrest. Do you have a cause for that?

I've been a pain management nurse consultant for too many years to remember, and have never come across this sort of outcome. However, I do hope that the pain issues don't return. If you're under a pain team, it would be worth informing them if you haven't already. Best wishes from down under!

@kaffando Although pain from the trauma and a subsequent surgery is lower, I still have another estimated two months of recovery ahead.
It will be interesting to see if the side effect is long-term. 🤞
I am no longer under the care of our chronic pain clinic, but still have contacts who might be interested in this.
I learned that scar damage on a part of my otherwise healthy heart, most likely a result of some sort of viral infection many years ago, ultimately caused a short circuit in the rhythm, and the cardiac arrest.

Source of some years old mystery symptoms and pain that often could not be duplicated in examination have taken on a new perspective in light of this event.
No cure, but meds and a new implanted ICD should help.

@dabertime

Very pleased you have an ICD. Yes, I'd let the contacts you have know of the outcome re the pain side of things. It really is very interesting.

Long may you continue both pain free and arrest-free!

@dabertime There is so much that isn't understood about pain. I spent most of my life suffering from really bad migraines. When I had covid, I had a massive number of TIA strokes. And in the nearly 5 years since, have not had a single migraine. Evidently, one of the TIAs killed whatever part of my brain was calling for the migraines.

I hope you pain stays away-it's a fantastic and fascinating result!

@dabertime this reminds me of the fact that one of the Apollo astronauts was allergic to moon dust. It's either a one in a billion fluke, or extremely common.

Either way, I hope for your sake the effects last. I don't have chronic pain but I have other chronic conditions and there are days I would sell someone else's soul to be rid of them.

@dabertime that is so interesting. I lived with extreme chronic pain a while & healed almost entirely. And one of the things that clicked for me was how I saw pain as stored in memory. Kind of like Lycra where it snaps back to the strongest sharpest memory. Whether that’s guarding muscles, etc. During sleep it kind of goes away, then returns.
I think of pain as ‘sharp & sticky’ in memory, signals on a loop repeating, but you can learn to break the cycle too. Like stopping hiccups just by focus.

@dabertime congrats, you “eustress vs distress” hacked your chronic pain.

Whether it’s persistent, repeatable, or transferrable…. I hope for your sake the former, too many ethical issues understanding the other two 😅

@dabertime Whoa, as recent cardiac arrestee myself, that's super scary, and I hope your recovery is going well.
I don't know the specifics of your chronic pain, but for myself, I haven't had a migraine since my "event" and the subsequent heart surgery. I'm also on a lot of cardiovascular drugs so that might be relevant too.