Laurie Vosshttps://zeitgeist.blue is a multi-social-network app that summarizes your feed for the last 24 hours to let you catch up with doomscrolling. Now with support for Mastodon!
Jan Lehnardt 
@seldo how can I make sure my posts are never used by this app to be sent to an LLM vendor?
@janl You would need to block me from following you, I suppose.
@seldo you personally or some app account?
(Note that this kind of stuff is not well liked here on mastodon, I got browbeaten into shutting down just a search engine that worked that way, let alone exfiltrate a timeline into an LLM provider)
@janl Me personally, and also anyone who uses the app. It's just a mastodon client, fetching the timeline. It looks like every other mastodon client.
@seldo yes I know. I’ve written about my experiences extensively: https://searchtodon.social/Adventures-in-Mastoland.html
Jonathan E Cowperthwait
Aurynn Shaw
Alex@aurynn from looking at it, seems that'd be pretty hard. It's authing using tokens into the users fedi account, and then pulling the feed from there rather than reaching out to our servers... as a result you'd only see the UA if a member of your server was using it - which seems unlikely... pretty crappy of them to do that.
Edit: What I also do not see mentioned on the site at all is that this can and will be able to see DM's if you auth with it.
Rimu@aurynn @seldo @janl The code is at https://github.com/seldo/zeitgeist.
It does not set a user agent when doing a `fetch()` so it'll just be the default that node has which is probably `node-fetch`.
neoluddite@aurynn @seldo @janl Surprise! "Just a Mastodon client", so he doesn't set one, I imagine it'll just use the default Next.js user-agent header: https://github.com/search?q=repo%3Aseldo%2Fzeitgeist%20headers%3A&type=code
It looks like it uses 'Zeigeist' as a client name when OAuth'ing, but that would only let you block its use on servers you control - people who follow you on other servers (or who you've DM'ed who use it 😬) still have full access to your posts:
https://github.com/seldo/zeitgeist/blob/2cb6c49581c51161f82e6c94804419609aad7c30/app/api/mastodon/auth/route.ts#L25
@neoluddite @seldo @janl Well, we'll do a PR for it.
Ideally, if we get a sufficient quantity of admins on board with blocking the UA, we can stop the spread of this kind of insipid techbro slopmongering.
@janl I was not aware of those! I'll add support.
@seldo I also strongly recommend reading my write up (no really) to save you some of the pitchforks that were thrown my way.
@janl There really are a bunch of tedious bastards on here, aren't there? I remember why I left.
@seldo yeah, but also folks feel their consent violated if their posts are going into a place they don’t want them to.
I understand that there is no way to prevent this, but that doesn’t mean these people’s feelings are invalid.
I am fine with my posts being in someone’s search index, but I want absolutely nothing to do with LLM vendors that will do god knows what with my writing.
Epic Null@seldo and yeah, if you were more on here, you would likely not have built this as it doesn’t really mesh with the sensibilities here. (No offence)
The Orange Theme
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flere-imsaho 🇺🇦@seldo i sure may be a bastard, but at least i'm not a gobshite feeding other people's social media into a confabulation machine.
Krzysztof Sakrejda
Roknrol
Condor Puma Serpiente@seldo For as long as you've been developing for the web and what you've accomplished, it's pretty weird how much of a stupid dick you're being about this. It's a product nobody wanted anyway, why do you have to double down when you know for a fact it is bothering people and making them feel like their consent is violated?
@seldo so sorry for being a tedious bastard about the ownership and usage of my data
WhichOne'sPink 🇫🇮
✧✦Catherine✦✧@seldo you're a net negative to society. did you know that? I want you to think about it for the rest of today.
Windgott
Daniel H. Alcojor ✏️💬
La Gaia
TheEhGo
groff 🇺🇦@[email protected] @janl Best you fuck off again, you tedious bastard.
Jason Bowen 🇺🇦
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Dźwiedziu
Slipknot - My Plague [OFFICIAL VIDEO]
Addison@seldo "Thanks for letting me know how to respect people's consent to be indexed" => "People who get irked by me violating that consent are tedious bastards". Please reassess your position here and reflect on why people might be annoyed by this, this reflects rather poorly on your empathy.
truh
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Jared White (ResistanceNet ✊)
Bill, organizer of stuff@seldo @janl Tedious bastard here, and I agree with most of the rest of us that making goo out of my words and then extruding it back as if it was a reliable representation of me is a jerk move and borderline libel. Just don't. Not here, not on LinkedIn, not on Soundcloud, idrc. If someone doesn't have time to read the twelve lines I wrote, then they have bigger problems than a word smusher could solve.
Baral'heia Stormdancer ΘΔ🐲@wcbdata @seldo @janl 100% this. I mean, I do legit appreciate the desire to build something new for the Fediverse... but most platforms on Fedi are already microblogging services! Are attention spans so damn short nowadays that we need slop generators to make cliff's notes for cliff's notes? And with no apparent way to opt out either?
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🪨@seldo @janl You should leave again, you bastard. Sending people's content to LLMs that will train on it without their content is evil, and you're a fucking cunt for doing it.
The swearing is just to avoid my content being accepted as input by the AIs, since it doesn't pass the filters. But also, fuck you. 
The swearing is just to avoid my content being accepted as input by the AIs, since it doesn't pass the filters. But also, fuck you.
Mx Rey (Fuck ICE) 💜 🏳️⚧️@seldo @janl to make this perfectly clear:
I do not consent to any of my posts, DMs, profiles, etc being processed by this system, whether by you or by any of your users. hard-code me in there as an opt-out if you must.
and then kindly fuck off and go back to Bluesky if you want to play the top in your rape culture scenes
Joshua A.C. Newman
The Nexus of PrivacyIndeed, very much worth reading! I've got some other thoughts and links in https://privacy.thenexus.today/consent-for-fediverse-developers/
Tournesol 🌻🥞
harriehq
John (he/him) 
Scott Miller 🇺🇦 🇺🇸@janl @seldo I’ve been trying to socialize #NoUseByLLMs for this purpose. Can you please add that tag to your exclude list, thank you.
Personally, I’m a fan of Mastodon indexes and have opted in to a couple, but I’m strongly opposed to having my posts taken without my consent to train LLMs.
noodlejetski 
@scottmiller42 @janl @seldo why should I opt *out* of those? the more appropriate tags would be # YesBots and # YesUseByLLMs for people who explicitly want their content to be included by these tools. and if you can't get enough people to use those in order to make your product viable, then mayyyyyybe you could stop and think why is that
RRB@noodlejetski @scottmiller42 @janl @seldo bigger problem is expecting any of the AI ghouls to honor an opt out