c401mh31d ago

Aight, #fediverse…

Should I switch from #archLinux to #gentooLinux now, or wait until we definitively know what's going on with #systemd and #ageVerification before making that decision?

Maybe even a #linuxFromScratch base system running #flatpaks out the wazzoo?

Show threadPeterSoukup13h ago

@c401mh3 #ArchLinux now reportedly censoring people who criticize #AgeVerification and one guy named Dylan Taylor who is pushing it everywhere - he is the one who pushed it to #systemd and he is also trying to push it to #ArchInstall ... Plus #ArchLinux forum moderators delete all posts related to age verification debate. I don't know what the fuck they are trying to achieve, but they are destroying their reputation in real time. A lot of Arch users are furious.

#linux

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wR-zJKdAkOc

Arch Linux Says Opposing Age Verification is Code of Conduct Violation

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Show threadCampbell Jones
@PeterSoukup @c401mh3 Feel free to criticize age verification. Personally I hate the idea. That said, targeted harassment is against our CoC, and Lunduke is inflating this issue massively because that's what gets views. We have not put out an official statement on age verification because we don't have one to make yet. Relax.
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Show threadPeterSoukup10h ago

@serebit

1/Well let me tell you he is not alone, I've seen videos from at least 4 other creators essentially with the same opinion. And about a half a dozen Linux threads. "Arch censors people who disagree with age verification is getting quite a traction out there. Whether this is true or not, is irrelevant, it's easy for people to arrive to a such conclusion.

Stating a plain fact that a guy named XYZ has twice inserted age verification PR into a linux project as the guy is clearly

Show threadPeterSoukup10h ago
@serebit
2/ admitting it under his own name is not a targeted harassment, that's overreaction. In addition, age verification posts are being deleted from official Arch forum. I'm being told it's because non technical topics are considered spam. Fair enough, But it really doesn't create good optics. My impression is there is 2 groups of people talking past each other - on one hand a hardcore arch nerds, on the other hand a wider arch user community with more political sensitivity.
Show threadPeterSoukup10h ago
@serebit
3/ And right now the second group is really dissatisfied. Maybe you don't care about losing them, maybe you don't care if things go to the way they were - Arch being a hard core distro for tech nerds instead of one of the mainstream ones, but this is certainly the direction it appears to be heading right now ...
Show threadCampbell Jones10h ago
@PeterSoukup Personally I'm not really bothered by folks deciding to swap distros over this. Manufactured outrage is common because it gets clicks and views. If it weren't age verification it would be something else. That's the beauty of Linux—we can choose what we want to use. If people are really upset by our CoC enforcement, they can take their vitriol to Hacker News or 4chan or whatever. I recently learned the term "hobbyless behavior" which I think applies here.
Show threadCampbell Jones10h ago
@PeterSoukup Also worth noting that the actual issue at hand—legally mandated age verification in open source software—is a very real issue and Linux distros will need to deal with it. We do not currently have a plan for how to deal with it, but we're actively exploring our obligations and we will make a public statement when we have the information necessary to do so. I encourage the Arch community to stop spreading FUD that only makes the situation worse for everyone involved.
Show threadPeterSoukup9h ago

@serebit Yes, they are dealing with it, some showing more bravery than others ...

https://agelesslinux.org/distros.html

Ageless Linux — Distro Compliance Tracker

Show threadpythonchess7h ago
@serebit @PeterSoukup but how are you going to deal with it if you can’t talk about it in the official forums? Honest question.
Show threadCampbell Jones6h ago
@pythonchess @PeterSoukup Community discussion about it in the official forums isn't going to influence our decision on the matter. It's up to legal analysis.