Inspired by a CD burning indirect age verification poll I saw this morning let's push things a little further back with a poll about cassette tape.
I don't know what a cassette tape is
I do know what a cassette tape is
I've listened to music on cassette tape
I've recorded music to cassette tape
I've loaded software from cassette tape
I've written software to cassette tape
Poll ends at .
To clarify, I'm specifically asking about analogue Compact Cassette audio tape here. DAT/DSS, etc., don't count.
@spacelizard I have made many a tape archive file but never actually written one to a tape
@aburka @spacelizard I doubt if many other people have either. The tar format was not used with analogue compact cassettes, which were the storage format of choice for cheap '80s 8-bit microcomputers. I bet someone on here will know of an exception though!

@spacelizard
Yep. Back in the early '80s, a friend gave me a bitty toy computer that I could plug into a regular tape recorder - and a black-and-white TV -and lo! I learned to program...within 1k.

I miss it.

@spacelizard bonus question:
Do you know how to use a pencil with a cassette
Have you used a pencil with a cassette
Poll ends at .
@pelicangut @spacelizard BIC crystal ballpoint pens work awesome for this too!
@spacelizard You mean that newfangled tape thing that's like an eight-track tape?

@spacelizard TRS-80 BASIC

turn the volume way down before you play it on a regular cassette player because two tracks of irregular square waves is kind of painful to listen to.

@laprice It was a BBC micro for me. I dimly recall watching it count upwards in hexadecimal as it loaded some game or other. Like this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3f2JhORxsCY
BBC Micro: Elite by Acornsoft (Loading from tape)

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@spacelizard @calvin I’ve never written software to cassette tape, but I *have* written it to *paper* tape.
@marjolica @michaelgemar @spacelizard @calvin
Ditto, including lots of NC machine tool "programs" onto paper tape in 1982/3. Paper tape was a near universal standard then, except some of the Russian NC machines needed very opaque black paper tape.
For machining blanks for experimental multifocal spectacles, the manager had linked micro PDP-11s into some of the machine's paper tape reader's circuits, giving us the (needed) ability to send more than 1000 feet worth of data with no pauses.
This was when physically massive hard drives were about 80Mb & the company's main computer had 1/2Mb of RAM.
@spacelizard confirmed. people on mastodon are old.

@tootbrute @spacelizard

LOL, I was thinking this!

(And I'm one of the oldies) XD

@spacelizard

TRS-80 cassette tape players were so much fun. /s Much of the time you'd wait 10 minutes for it to load just for it to fail and you's have to try it again. Eventually the tape would just go bad.

@spacelizard SAVE "HELLO",1,1 iirc
@spacelizard Who knows what a pencil is, and has respooled a cassette tape with one?

@spacelizard

Huh, more people have recorded to cassettes than have listened to them.

@spacelizard still kinda miss my 1530 😁😅
@spacelizard The Sinclair ZX81 my aunt got me made me barely qualify for the last two points!

@spacelizard

I feel like I need to say that I have written and loaded software on tapes, but only as a "vintage computing" activity with my trusty TRS 80 which I bring in to scare my students from time to time "this is what laptops used to be like" they love it and are fascinated... or terrified, hard to say their eyes are very big the whole time.

But it's not really of my time. I did grow up listening to rock and roll on cassette tapes however, in Ohio no less behind a 7/11

@futurebird @spacelizard We had a program on national radio that would broadcast software to be recorded on casette tape and to be used on your home computer. It used a universal BASIC called BASICODE https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BASICODE
BASICODE - Wikipedia

@futurebird @spacelizard I go back even further I’ve written and loaded programs on/from a paper tape roll! (PDP-8E BASIC)

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The little screen had menu options on it with numbers and one of them tried to press the screen... to be fair touch screens did exist when this was made... but they looked like they were covered in horrible plastic wrap.

@futurebird @spacelizard the first programming I did was on a TRS (trash) 80 with a cassette drive.

@futurebird @spacelizard

this is baller teaching right here.

@futurebird @spacelizard I typed in programs from magazines for my Vic 20 and C64 back in the day and saved to tape drive. I do not miss it.

@spacelizard I *still have* some software that I wrote on cassette tape. And the machine it was written on.

Although it may not be readable by now, and, I don't think I have the hardware required to play the tape.

@spacelizard We had a computer lesson in 2nd grade that involved read/write on a cassette. I remember clearly because I got in trouble for hitting the rewind button before the teacher told us to. She was a bitch who had it in for me, but at the time I was super upset for having gotten in trouble for something I didn’t understand.
@spacelizard analog magnetic tape, paper tape, punch cards... oh, and those big reel-to-reel tapes as well. Yeah, I'm one of the old ones.
@spacelizard i still remember facebook audiophile boomers ranting about how cassette tape audio is better than both vinyl and cd
@Kierkegaanks @spacelizard As usual, this argument depends on either not understanding the sampling theorem or having /unusually/ subjective criteria about "better".
@spacelizard @vathpela the sampling theorem was not involved when comparing with vinyl. But they did adorably claim an ultrasonic frequency cutoff. I guess at their age the standard cassette bandwidth of 12kHz is near-ultrasonic

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I feel old....-_-"""

@spacelizard I'm a little triggered by the fact MORE people recorded music on tape than people have listened to it. They recorded it just for the fun of it ?

@spacelizard Not only have I written and read software to and from cassette tape, I wrote a utility to use cassette tape as a transfer medium between operating systems!

https://archive.org/details/Dragon_User_1988-03_Sunshine_Books_GB/page/n11/mode/2up

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Dragon User (1988-03)(Sunshine Books)(GB)

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@spacelizard More people have recorded music to a cassette tape than listened to one or know what a cassette tape is?
@david_chisnall @spacelizard "idk what this is but it sure does play music"

@Recalcitrant @spacelizard

I'm more surprised by the 3% who have recorded music to a tape but never listened to music on a tape.

@spacelizard Well, young'uns, I had a Commodore 64 as a kid (borrowed, actually), back when we had our games, applications & files (such as they were) on cassette tapes...

As far as I remember I didn't even have the proper, branded one, just a regular cassette deck 😂

@spacelizard @futurebird

Somehow I feel like "I have used the 8 mm cassette tape drive the telescope operators kept to run archival software from the '80s" does not meet the spirit of this poll.

@spacelizard

Interesting results, more people have used a cassette tape than know what one is.

Likely not realizing it was a multiple, not single choice poll.

@spacelizard
I remember a time when a cassette tape was the only way I could save my software!

I've also used 9-track reel tape for data, which was a bit archaic even then.

And cassettes were the only real option for DIY music and mixtapes.

@spacelizard I tried for years but I just couldn't read anything back my ZX80 saved.

@spacelizard I think I did once try to write software to a cassette tape. But I don’t think I have ever successfully written software to a cassette tape.

Flash is pretty fucking cool.

@spacelizard

I mostly listen to music these days on cassette tape. I create mixes with audio files and record them to tapes

@spacelizard

I mean technically, I might be doing 35 and 52, because our data is on tape back-up, but I guess that's not a cassette tape.

I have to say I've never heard of software on a cassette tape, seems like it would be waaaay slower than floppy, since you have to fast forward through all of the stuff you don't need.

For ppl who used them, did you put more frequently accessed info at the beginning of the tape?

@MCDuncanLab Yes, by cassette tape I mean Compact Cassette, the standard analogue audio tape that peaked in popularity in the 1980s. Later digital tape formats are a whole other thing.

Yes, cassette tape as a software/data storage medium was slow, inconveniently sequential and frequently unreliable. No one would choose to use it over floppy discs if they had that option, but there was a period during the 8 bit computer era when a lot of people didn't have that choice. For a number of these early home computers disc drives either didn't exist or were prohibitively expensive, in some cases costing more than the computer they attached to. In the UK and a number of other countries the majority of software sales were on cassette throughout the entire 80's.

As a kid growing up during this time I was very lucky that while we started with cassette tapes for our Sinclair ZX-81 and BBC Micro we later upgraded to using a dual 5¼" floppy disc drive, a pretty extravagant bit of home computer equipment at the time.

@spacelizard Good old Coleco Adam. Sales person convinced my parents it was the future of personal computing.
@koushiniku @spacelizard I still have the power supply from one. I bought it cheap from a surplus dealer and modified it to run my Commodore 64 to replace its crappy epoxy filled supply.
@spacelizard I would like to thank this poll for reminding me of how old I am. I was also a TRS-80 Color Computer kid.
@spacelizard ...and also, have you rewound a cassette tape using a Bic pen?
@spacelizard @SrRochardBunson Ah, the days of the Atari 400 and later 800XL. 😁
@spacelizard I’ve also read and written programs to VHS tape. Our first VCR was a leftover Magnavox my mom’s Alpha-Micro computer business was going to retire in favor of a newer one.
@spacelizard I still have a collection of cassette tapes.

@spacelizard

The only tape I've used with software is on large reels.

I went through two generations of reel-to-reel tape for music before graduating to cassette.

But then I'm in my fourth and presumably final quarter century.

I never used 8-track.

@futurebird