Perhaps the uncritical use of LLMs in our FOSS ecosystem is a symptom of burnout in our maintainers and projects.
@onepict perhaps a lot of the motivation behind FOSS was only ever to signal virtue to (potential) employers, and now those same employers want you to be proficient at using LLMs.
@onepict I'm saying that for some people, this might've been a big or the main motivator. Certainly not all people.

@michiel FOSS has a long history of shadow IT behind the back of hostile work environment and corrupt managers (that's what I call someone who accepts gifts and goodies from MS or Oracle).

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@michiel @onepict Underrated conjecture.

@onepict that is one reason, but another huge reason I see is just that so many devs have been trained to never think critically about their tools or industry to begin with. LLMs are just the shiny new toy, to be used without ever considering its impact on society, the way it redistributes power, or its long term legacy.

A huge amount of OSS people are not of the idealistic sort, they are of the "I'm apolitical and so is software, and humanities studies are worthless" sort.

@ainmosni @onepict The term “FOSS” probably has more to do with why we keep getting surprised by these sorts of things over and over again more than anything else.

The F and the OSS are very separate things.

It’s like looking at the Corporate Democrats or New Labour and wondering why they’re not progressive.

The only thing “open source software” and the people who build “open source software” care about is that the source is open. Literally just that. It’s open as in open for business and it’s always been that. Associating with free software has always been a whitewashing effort. And we seem to freely allow it to the detriment of the latter.

@aral @onepict Yep, me omitting the F in my post was very much on purpose.

@ainmosni @aral I started out on the Open Source side and gradually moved over to the free software side.

Although at times I'm not sure either side fits anymore. Especially with the definition of freedom, and the desire to not acknowledge the political influences and ramifications of what we code and how we act within our communities.

I'm at a stage now where I distrust folks who are apolitical.

@onepict @aral Same, and yeah... the main problem with the free software side is from its inception it's been a very libertarian movement. It can veer either left or right, depending, and we all know what side apolitical people tend to skew.
@ainmosni @onepict Yep. Free as in freedom is a prerequisite. By no means is it sufficient.
@aral @onepict I also think it's a symptom of how we made political discourse a bit too uni-dimensional. We attribute sugar, spice, and everything nice to the left, and the rest to the right, totally ignoring you can be an authoritarian boot licker and still be left, or consider freedom for everyone essential and think it's every man for himself.

@ainmosni @aral Folks also tend to not be that great at acknowledging power and responsibility.

We have a bad habit of bigging folks up because they expressed our frustration well without consideration about if we should have given them that power.

Power is a responsibility and it should be shared.

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@onepict @aral Agreed, I tend to have a bit of phobia of putting anybody on a pedestal, probably something born out of trauma, but I will assume everyone is messy, and so I can respect ideas without having to immediately accept the imperfect messy person who said it.
@ainmosni @onepict Yeah, let’s not put anyone on a pedestal.
It’s a sure way to create an asshole.

@onepict @ainmosni > I'm at a stage now where I distrust folks who are apolitical.

💯

Apolitical is just a euphemism for unapologetically privileged.

@aral @onepict @ainmosni neither left nor right usually equals right

@strule @aral @onepict @ainmosni There is no middle in politics.

Speaking in terms like Left or Right implies to some privileged jerks who don't want to think of these terms as binary that there were some neutral middle ground.

If being left means wanting freedom and justice for everyone, and someone says, "I'm not that," then that person is a right-winger.

@aral @onepict @ainmosni

Apolitical means they have enough privilege and no close relations to minorities that they just don't give a fuck because it doesn't impact 'em (or so they think).

Those people are utterly useless.

Everything is political if we like it or not.

@onepict just out of curiosity: what is critical AI use to you?

@odr_k4tana Not Large Language Models for a start.

If you're wanting to argue about AI use, you can do it elsewhere. Not in my mentions please.

For my reasoning I suggest you read this in full. 😊

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@onepict Much as I hate them I'll concede that llms have been bringing some pretty problematic issues to the forefront.
@onepict definitly true for some. Others are forced to use the crapinator because of there workplace (that makes me sick)
For others it's the uuuuuh new shiny (and will go away as soon as the LLM burns 'em)
and there's Kent who found his perfect wife who's already planing her escape with a cute lesbian 🙃

@TheOneDoc trans lesbian 😂

(I'm laughing because it was funny and pathetic and actually sad to see Kent lose his mind, and the fact that his chatbot identified as trans fried his brain even more. I'm not ridiculing trans people who I fully support.)

@davidculley .

I was reading the chat log it was great🤣

And yea the fact that the cute lesbian happens to be trans did trigger creepy Kent.

I wonder if he already invested in a Red Cap 🤔