Imperatrix Siina 
i love how systemd makes boot and shutdown so much slower lmao. especially shutdown.
Kevin Karhan 
@kkarhan I certainly have seen it. At least it didn't have its tendrils touching every conceivable part of the system like systemd likes to try and do.
@siina the nice part with #systemD is that you have the flexibility to add or remove things.
- It's closer to a "suite" rather than one fat binary (unlike #emacs!).
- Obviously the partsbdo integrate well with each other…
But #systemd, like #Steam, didn't win because they are excellent, but because competition either doesn't exist or is kinda incompetent to a degree…
Reid 
@kkarhan @siina > the nice part with #systemD is that you have the flexibility to add or remove things.
except you really can't because everything has hard dependencies on other parts of systemd and by the time you sort the whole thing out, there are like 3 systemd components you don't strictly have to use on a system with the systemd init, but that you really can't use on a system with a different init without a lot of blood, sweat, tears, patching, and sacrifices to the lord of darkness
except you really can't because everything has hard dependencies on other parts of systemd and by the time you sort the whole thing out, there are like 3 systemd components you don't strictly have to use on a system with the systemd init, but that you really can't use on a system with a different init without a lot of blood, sweat, tears, patching, and sacrifices to the lord of darkness
@reiddragon @siina not necessarily…
It's just that all the other alternatives don't make much sense.
- Noone wants to go back from PipeWire to ALSA + VAAPI + Jack (or even OSS).
It is perfectly possible to make a non-#systemd - #Linux, in fact there are even #GNUfree Linux distros…
@reiddragon @siina it's quite adjacent tho.
Just like systemd-boot…