Iโ€™m catching up on the news today and see that Nvidia forecasts $1T in GPU sales over the next 18 months. That is crazy. I donโ€™t know how that works at any level.

Also on the nvidia news front, they are making a version of the gpu for orbital datacenters. Now Iโ€™ve been around for a long, long time and Iโ€™ve heard some pretty dumb ideas in that time, and I feel like orbital datacenters is at least in the top 10.

@jerry That says more about their prices, I think, than it does their sales.
@drwho @jerry also I think that plan involves recognizing revenue at time of sale rather than time of delivery?
@vathpela @drwho @jerry why wait for the sales department to hammer out a contract, when you could accrue the income right at the moment of "Altman and I were out doing shots, when we had a brilliant brainstorm"?
@rotopenguin @drwho @jerry I guess I meant "booking" rather than "sale", but still I think it's signed on paper, just delivery might be years down the road.
@jerry bitflip madness!

@Viss @jerry

My gummy must be kicking in... I could have sworn that said "Blipvert madness"...

@chieroglyph @jerry you wouldnt be wrong. the size of transistors today is small enough that subatomic particles cause shorts and bitflips, and itll be interesting to see how the shit they're gonna try and solve for that

@Viss @jerry

Especially outside the magnetosphere where there isn't any reduction in solar radiation whatsoever.

@Viss @chieroglyph @jerry We're doing quantum computing!

@Viss @jerry

Fun story!

I worked in a sw eng (for real, not MSCE "we're engineers" way) research facility in uni and we had lots of guest lecturers. My fav. one was from NASA. Back in the first half of the shuttle program, the avionics were still pretty basic. One of the problems they had was radio LoS or loss of signal - if they weren't receiving any vox from Houston, was it because they were LoS or was the radio bork? And unlike almost every other system on an air or space craft,

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@Viss @jerry

there wasn't really any kind of radio self-test - or rather you might be able to tell if the radio equipment was working, but what if there was an antennae problem. So a piece of mind to the crew would be to know - without the usual statement of that fact FROM Houston ON the radio - where they were vs. radio coverage.
Problem is, none of the computers on the original avionics had that capability - this was, after all,

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@Viss @jerry
a computer system after all, that once you had reached safe orbit and didn't need the various ABORT profiles, you had to MANUALLY unload the ORBIT/ABORT program and load in the Life Support program cause the memory (core of course) could only hold one or the other. Oh and since liftoff you've been running on battery and you really wanted to open the cargo bay doors because thats where the solar panels are o_0.
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@Viss @jerry

So anyway knowing where they were over earth or vs. the radio coverage wasn't in the avionics at the time. So someone hacked together a crude world map visualization and they ploted the orbiter's position on it as well as the radio coverage map. They found a lighteight compact 286 or whatever laptop to run it on.
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@Viss @jerry

Exceeept, the cockpit didn't have a north american 120V AC outlet for the adapter. While they had got permission to bring a laptop, they did NOT get permission to bodge an AC inverter into the all-DC craft busses or directly wire the laptop barrel connector. So each crew member had to sacrifice a portion of their personnal effects weight budget to bring spare, charged laptop batteries, enough for the entire trip.
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@Viss @jerry

The last problem (Im getting to it) was occasionally they'd experience weird and random glitches in the program; they'd be solved with a restart, but then they'd have to reenter the shuttles current location, alt and velocity manually (it could approximate from there) which was a pain, but it was assumed that this was caused by RAMdom bitflipping because the Compaq's memory wasn't core memory. Easily solved, future missions
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@Viss @jerry

they cracked the laptop case and foiled the inside of it with gold foil or whatever they used to wrap satellites.

And of course later avionics updates made this all unnecessary. This - and other stories - were from the one guy (I've never seen a 3rd party corroboration), so it could be a tall tail, but a) why would someone make that story up?

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@Viss @jerry

b) I can just imagine everyone's crew duffle had 3 lbs of laptop batteries, that seems like such a simple practical (typical NASA) solution to a problem.

8/8

@tezoatlipoca @jerry thats a pretty wild ride! but yeah it lines up with what I know about the space (which is anecdotal) - that once you leave the atmosphere weird shit (tm) happems when subatomic particles cruise through your ram and cpu and flip bits
@tezoatlipoca @Viss @jerry the military wants every advantage it can, and isn't above the need to hide or obscure these advantages.
@jerry I am an aerospace engineer and literally have a PhD in this stuff.
I can confirm that space is essentially the worst place imaginable you could locate a datacenter.
Nvidia is 100% cashing in on this trend/bubble just because people are willing to entertain the idea, and by the time it all crashes, Nvidia doesn't care because they already sold their units.
@Artemis201 @jerry oh come on there's worse places for a data center. How about inside a volcano? It's like we're hardly trying.

@ferrix @Artemis201 @jerry

It's easier and cheaper to put a data centre in a volcano than in space. And it takes less time to realise it doesn't work there, and melts after a few minutes.

@Lily_and_frog @ferrix @jerry I suppose you could try and dig a tunnel into the mantle. That might be worse, but only because we've barely even drilled that far.

@Lily_and_frog @ferrix @Artemis201 @jerry

Well, on my "James Bond supervillain" scale, "inside a volcano" beats "in space".

@ferrix @Artemis201 @jerry At least there's thermal conduction in there
@aredridel @ferrix @jerry and you could make it water cooled, and it would be shielded from radiation, and much easier to install replacement parts
@Artemis201 @aredridel @jerry ok I'm ready to invest in LavaFlare let's go

@ferrix @Artemis201 @aredridel @jerry

Ahaโ€ฆ THAT's the reason for the wall of lava lamp at the Cloudflare offices.

@datenwolf @ferrix @Artemis201 @jerry Lol I hadn't thought about that for ages until this week, and now twice (this conversation and an episode of NCIS that took place in a tech company where that controlled the encryption for some process)

@Artemis201 @jerry

Yes, how would they dispose of waste heat? They're in a perfect vacuum!

@Quasit @jerry one of the primary issues with any space based systems. Your radiator would have to be unimaginably huge

@Artemis201 @jerry

Or disperse waste heat by venting gas. Not a good solution, though!

@Quasit @Artemis201 @jerry would you even need gas? I mean surely they're talking autonomous, human-free data centers?
@lizzard @Artemis201 @jerry For adiabatic cooling? It wouldn't be oxygen.
@Quasit @Artemis201 @jerry right! I was only thinking about oxygen.
@Quasit @jerry I haven't done the math but I imagine the amount of gas required to cool this thing 1. would be a lot and require regular refuling, and 2. would become a significant propulsive force.

@Artemis201 @Quasit @jerry

So youโ€™re saying that we clone Elon Muskโ€™s ego?

@Artemis201 @Quasit @jerry maybe it could be a good thing. The unimaginably huge radiator could be used to collect orbital trash when the datacenters fail.
@Quasit @Artemis201 @jerry thermal rectification is real
@Quasit @Artemis201 @jerry real science for now i guess, engineering...well / *looking at the materials engineers
@Quasit @Artemis201 @jerry i mean really we're a decade out from orbital photonic datacenters anyways
@Artemis201 @jerry I thought you liked like a rocket scientist..... must have been the picture oh, and your profile!

@Artemis201 @jerry

Maybe it is just a concept of a GPU. Elon Musk farts out the stupidest idea in the world and the funny money casino spins another round. Consider how much money the tech Bros have and how much ketamine they ingest on a daily basis.

@Artemis201 @jerry

My uninformed speculation is that space datacenters won't need to worry about being torched by the hordes of starving unemployed peasants. That may be the appeal of the idea.

@Artemis201 @jerry what about Europa? You've got geothermal for power, vast amount of cold liquid water, and built in radiation shielding. It's perfect!

Based on my extensive experience playing Barotrauma, nothing can go wrong.

@mikesiegel @jerry you're right. Europa would indeed be worse
@mikesiegel @Artemis201 @jerry ALL THESE WORLDS ARE YOURS EXCEPT EUROPA. BUILD NO DATACENTERS THERE

@Artemis201 @jerry

(Former) space scientist here. I know nothing about datacenter engineering, but I agree that it's hard to imagine a worse environment to put anything that you want to keep functioning.

@Artemis201 @jerry you know the thing where tech bros read/watch science fiction and take away exactly the wrong message? I feel like Elon just watched Elysiumโ€ฆ
@jerry Of course itโ€™s a terrible idea. Itโ€™s Elonโ€™s.
@jerry The one good thing I can say about orbital datacenters is:

The idea is so incredibly foolish that, no matter how hard they try, they won't get it to work.

Imagine trying to cool a GPU in a vacuum thermos.