I firmly believe that all 14 year olds should surreptitiously be given Pratchett by someone that isn't a parent.

Especially if they live in a household where they have to hide it because it contains witches.

They are books that teach you how to think, even in the face of extreme authority.

This is my story. I would be a much worse person without having Pratchett books in my life.

#GNUTerryPratchett #Pratchett #TerryPratchett #Pterry

@PetraPhoenix pretty sure that's how I got into Pratchett in the 90s.
@PetraPhoenix If I catch you tuning a banjo, I'm legging it...
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@chloeraccoon

Hahahahaha, excellent!

@chloeraccoon "NO! NOT THE HEDGEHOG SONG!!!" 😃 @PetraPhoenix

@BackFromTheDud @chloeraccoon

It's when I climb onto the table you really need to take cover

@PetraPhoenix @BackFromTheDud It's just apples...
@PetraPhoenix @BackFromTheDud ...well. Mostly apples.
@chloeraccoon @PetraPhoenix @BackFromTheDud
I think the cider near Emly Castle (?) near Evesham is all apples, but reputed to be served from a bucket and diluted for visitors. I've not seen that, though I did stay near Evesham for quite a while. I've only seen video of Morris dancing and it does look scarier than Irish dancing (group or step dancing).
@raymaccarthy Morris Dancing IS scary: A bunch of people, drinking cider, and with big sticks, jumping around in a pub car park should terrify anyone!! @chloeraccoon @PetraPhoenix
@BackFromTheDud @chloeraccoon @PetraPhoenix
Yet they didn't find any accordions in Iraq, or any other weapons of mass destruction such as bagpipes. Not even a hurdy-gurdy!
@raymaccarthy @chloeraccoon @PetraPhoenix
I gather the Accordion is popular in North Korea. Mr Kim has clearly not heard this pearl of wisdom...

@BackFromTheDud @raymaccarthy @chloeraccoon @PetraPhoenix

This applies to a lot of things, not just accordians.

@PetraPhoenix I want to get into Pratchett but I have no idea where to start (and I'm sure I'll get a bunch of suggestions telling me to start with "any of" and then at least 5 titles each. So I'm no closer to starting because choice overwhelm beats me again 😄

@luyin

Whichever one you pick up first - read that.

Yes there are some books that you'll get more out of if you have read others, but honestly, don't worry about that, it'll still be brilliant.

@PetraPhoenix see I'm more likely to restart the Lord of the Rings than Pratchett if I have no pointer whatsoever!
@PetraPhoenix @luyin I just started with those I could find in roadside Little Libraries
@luyin @PetraPhoenix don’t miss Discworld. I think you can read them in any order.
@luyin @PetraPhoenix
For a gentle approach try The Wee Free Men. Essentially YA but adults will also enjoy and it introduces you to his unique sense of humour, empathy, insight and writing style. Also one of Pratchett's wonderful witches. Hope you enjoy enough to explore further.
@RHW @luyin @PetraPhoenix I am reading this to my daughter (8yo) and we’re both enjoying it. It’s also my first Terry Pratchett book so I can’t tell you if it’s the best place to start but we’re enjoying it.
@illogical_me @luyin @PetraPhoenix
I am very happy to hear this, and suspect you will read more. 😊

@luyin @PetraPhoenix

Discworld primarily centers around the city Ankh-Morpork. Like any city, it doesn't matter where you start because all the residents end up crossing paths. My personal suggestion is Guards! Guards! It's an introduction to the inner machinations of Ankh-Morpork. Sam Vines is a key character that tackles multiple issues about self awareness and how he relates to others.

@luyin @PetraPhoenix If you want Discworld, imo Guards! Guards! is the best place to start, followed by Men At Arms and Feet of Clay. Then you can continue the guards series or start on one of the other overarching storylines, your preference, but they're the most approachable start I think. Not the earliest written, the early ones were a bit rough around the edges, though they're worth reading still.

Also this is a really good guide for how the books are connected. Any of the left most books is a reasonable starting point, but Guards Guards or Mort are probably the best.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/12/Discworld_Reading_Order_Guide_3.0_%28cropped%29.jpg/1280px-Discworld_Reading_Order_Guide_3.0_%28cropped%29.jpg

@luyin @PetraPhoenix he did write other stuff with excellent humour though and if you want something that's *not* Discworld, then you should go for Truckers, Diggers, and Wings. Small, fairly quick reads, but as good and as funny as many of the Discworld books and a complete series that you can get all the way through in a short burst.

@luyin @PetraPhoenix

Hmm, a solar punk rusty pythonista.. Start with "the fifth elephant" then "the truth".

Have fun!

@luyin @PetraPhoenix
Equal Rites (then more Witch books & Tiffiny Aching series)
OR
Mort (then more Death books)
OR
Guards Guards (then more City Watch books).
Or the Unseen University ones (IMO the weakest)
OR read in published order.
There are a few stand-alones such as Small Gods, Pyramids, The Amazing Maurice (though the rats have an earlier cameo appearance in Men at Arms) and Monstrous Regiment.
I read originally as released, re-read in order & now re-reading by theme.
1st book weakest?
@luyin @PetraPhoenix Start where I did, thirty years ago. Book one. The Colour of Magic. Then just read them through in order, make it part of your reading year. March is Pratchett month, or whatever.

@golgaloth @luyin @PetraPhoenix

I also started with Colour of Magic, then Light Fantastic, then Mort...and few hours ago I found Small Gods that I started and never finished, so that's next!

It's a standalone, and gets some recs as a good intro to Discworld (especially for people who like religious/philosophical satire). So you could always start with that; or CoM is a light, fun read (and also a 4.5 hr streaming series with Sean Austin, Tim Curry, Jeremy Irons...🤯); and Mort is just AMAZING.

@luyin @PetraPhoenix what speaks more to you: a personified death who wants to understand life, an underdog detective, two old witches who are underestimated but kick ass or a loser wizard who has to save the day despite not wanting to?

@luyin @PetraPhoenix Start somewhere in the middle chronologically - I read his first novel when I was about 14 and didn't think it very good, then in my 50s someone recommended Tiffany Aching for my 10 year old daughter and I got hooked.

I've read most of Discworld since, currently on the Rincewind arc and am finding the early Rincewind ones are not as good as the rest.

So I'd say start with Tiffany, and 'The Wee Free Men'. https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/12/Discworld_Reading_Order_Guide_3.0_%28cropped%29.jpg

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@PetraPhoenix Hehehe already got my nephew and a mates kid this way. Always pick up a spare when in second had bookshops to have one on hand.
@PetraPhoenix too late; I already read my kids the Tiffany Aching books as bedtime stories
@eruonna @PetraPhoenix me too. I also read them monstrous regiment, which is a fabulously cynical book.

@PetraPhoenix the best Pratchett are the ones you just find.

Library return trolley
RentEd beach house in a long summer.
Leftover book box from older family friend moving away.

I'm not too eager to approach the work of Pratchett, at least not until it's clarified whether or not he collaborated with one of his coauthors, Neil Gaiman, to hide the abuse of the latter. Several years later and we still have no conclusive evidence either way.

@csolisr

I've had this thought myself. as he is dead, we'll never know for sure. also, since he is dead we are free to connect with his work that doesn't involve gaiman. IMO, he wasn't involved with the abuse and may not have been aware of it. the ever present casual misogyny people interact with means a lot of times what would, today, be red flags was just tuesday.

@csolisr I think the absence of evidence there is in large part because he died before the public allegations, and after years of battling dementia prior to passing. Abusers tend to constantly test the waters as to who they can include and who they have to hide their abuses from, which is exactly why most men "don't know" any rapists but numbers suggest somewhere over one in twenty are offenders. I doubt Diana Wynne Jones knew what he was up to when she dedicated one of her books to him as a former student, for instance. The man was connected to nearly everyone in genre publishing at the time, and Pratchett was a valuable bridge I doubt he'd have wanted to burn (though iirc they were sending the manuscripts back and forth by mail at the point of collaborating?) Presumably more people would have shunned Gaiman if he wasn't making at least a token effort to hide it from anyone who might actually bring consequences down on him; in his very own words: "writers are liars."

But also, unlike Gaiman, Pratchett can't personally benefit from the books even if he were secretly a similar monster - he's passed away. So the only implicit risk there is if he HAD been some sort of terrible soul (which I personally doubt) that his heirs might benefit from the library fees. Death of the author is literal, in this case, so the work must stand on its own; unlike Gaiman's writing, which occasionally gave me a bit of an off taste years ago, I haven't seen anything in starting Pratchett's recently that had me concerned.

@cwicseolfor @csolisr In hindsight, I found it interesting that Gaiman is quoted as saying that Terry wasn’t jolly, he was angry. I think he would’ve been furious with him. Read monstrous regiment, or I shall wear midnight, if you want to feel Pratchett’s deep, deep anger at the abuse of women. I shall wear midnight is a children’s book, but he doesn’t sugar coat it 🫣
@Frantasaur @csolisr Yeahhhhhh, this. I really get the impression he felt it to his bones. You can’t always trust people just from what they write (or more to the point, how they write it - Gaiman theoretically depicted abusers as bad, but the *way* he did it often gave me the squick, like the victims only deserved to get away because they were clever and resourceful, or beloved of someone powerful) but Pratchett’s emotion tends to saturate the whole of the thing with *care.* His definition of sin was turning people into things. I didn’t know him, I can’t vouch with certitude, but I feel very comfortable handing his writing to others, at least.

@csolisr the thing about abusive people is, they hide it. there is no reason pratchett would have known.

more than that, they can sometimes be really nice-seeming, helpful people! sometimes this is an attempt to compensate when they know they've done wrong. often, you simply can't tell. at best, you might feel as if something is off, but can't work out what.

i can honestly see why, pre-science, we had a model of demonic possession. it can really seem like that.

@PetraPhoenix Why not a parent, though?

I gave my son all my Pratchett, to pass the joy on.

@Brett

Because 14 year olds often reject anything their parents suggest.

I was mostly thinking back to my experience where I had to hide the Pratchett books because of the witches. There is no way I would ever have been introduced via my parents

@PetraPhoenix Honestly, fair. Are you listening @howdyimjason ?
@Brett @PetraPhoenix I was taught to think under authority by being disabled and trans in a public school system. I'll be reading prachet for the love of the game
@howdyimjason @PetraPhoenix As long as you read him, for whatever reason works for you.

@PetraPhoenix @Brett

Which makes it hilarious that I was introduced by my daughter, who persuaded me to try Mort.

@PetraPhoenix @Brett that mainly depends on how the parent treats the kid. If you're too overbearing on it the books will not be touched but if you give them with a bit but not too much explanation they'll have more of a chance.
@howdyimjason @PetraPhoenix That can be tricky to do with things as beloved as pTerry, who also had the good fortune to die unsullied by scandal.
@Brett @PetraPhoenix true true, but that's how passing on sacred things to your kids or youths in general, you gotta be careful with it.

@PetraPhoenix I gave my kid her first Pratchett when she was 11. She has fangirled over Tiffany Aching ever since. 😁✌️🤘🖖

#ParentingWin

@PetraPhoenix well I just have gone ahead and introduced my son to Pratchet directly - we've listened to a bunch of his short stories as well as a few of his Discworld books as audiobooks and then when I gave him a collection of 3 novels he devoured that book in a few days (probably the longest book he's read up until now - he's 12) and I've shown him my collection of Pratchett books which once we're done unpacking (just moved) he's always welcome to read (and I'm apt to buy any we don't have)
@PetraPhoenix my aunt and uncle gifted me my first experience to that world when I was about 12. Good decision.
@PetraPhoenix perhaps you would be interested in my "nobody who read Pratchett ever became a Jordan Peterson fan" theory