Andrei PamulaMar 9
Tournesol 🌻🥞
You have 99 problems ?
Learn French.
Voilà, now you have
4, 20, 10, 9 problems
Mar 6 at 2:42pmWeb
Show thread Tournesol 🌻🥞Mar 6
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Show threadGuillaumeMar 6
@tournesol 4, 20, 10, 9
Show thread Tournesol 🌻🥞Mar 6
@giyomu vas-y, je mets ta version haha
Show threadVioMar 6
@tournesol (Cent du coup, somehow)
Show threadAdam Jacobs 🇺🇦Mar 6

@tournesol Ah, I tried to learn French, but I never got past counting up to 8.

Turns out I have a huit allergy

Show threadMaria sem saúde mentalMar 6
@darkillermon
Show threadO Próprio Simão BacamarteMar 6
@aridiculaideia viu como é bom aprender francês?
Show threadshichimiMar 6
@tournesol 😂
Show threadElena Rossini on GoToSocial ⁂Mar 6
@tournesol 😂​😂​😂​ I "love" how French forces me to do math when pronouncing simple numbers
Show threadLeander Lindahl 🇪🇺Mar 6
@elena @tournesol yes, that's one of the things I loved about Italian when I studied it, simple grammar and no "funny business" with the numbers.
Show threaddistincte&clareMar 6

@leanderlindahl @elena @tournesol

I've asked that before in
this universe: In Germany (and beyond maybe) there's a club that tries to promote the reading "zwanzigeins" as equivalent to "einundzwanzig" which, of course, is standard German.
Anyone in favour of this idea?

#zwanzigeins

Show threadLeander Lindahl 🇪🇺Mar 6

@distincteclare @elena @tournesol i would have been when I was younger, but its so deeply engrained in me now, that I wouldn't want to change it. Nor quatre-vingt.

You should find out about Danish numbers and it will blow your mind 😂

The have 1-20 "normal". Then they do "German style" 21-49. One and twenty etc...

50 is three sets of 20 minus 10, then three sets of twenty for 60. Four sets of twenty minus 10 for 70. 4x20 for eighty and same for 90 (5 sets - 10) and one hundred is 5 sets of 20.

Show threadLeander Lindahl 🇪🇺Mar 6
@distincteclare @elena @tournesol
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Appendix:Danish_numerals
Appendix:Danish numerals - Wiktionary, the free dictionary

Wiktionary
Show threadLeander Lindahl 🇪🇺Mar 6
@distincteclare @elena @tournesol in Swedish we count "normal". Like Italian and English 🙂
Show threadThe Penguin of EvilMar 7
@leanderlindahl @distincteclare @elena @tournesol English old or new 😁. 3 score and ten ?
Show threadElena Rossini on GoToSocial ⁂Mar 7

@leanderlindahl Quoting: “ 50 is halvtreds, short for halvtredje-sinds-tyve, "half third times twenty", implying two score plus half of the third score “

Excuse me whaaaaaat?!?

Please tell me that as a result Danes are better at math than other Europeans… Wow just wow!

@distincteclare @tournesol

Show threadLeander Lindahl 🇪🇺Mar 7
@elena @distincteclare @tournesol I said it would blow your mind 🙂
Traditionally they've been a successful trading and merchant nation, so yes, I guess they know how to count.
Show threadkasperdMar 7

As a Dane I don’t think our names for the numbers are good, and I doubt they make us better at math. Most Danes rarely think about why the numbers have the names they have. You just have to learn the names for the numbers 20, 30, 40, 50, 60, 70, 80, 90 and not think about where they came from.

As a kid when I learned those numbers I surely asked why 50 is named that way when it isn’t half of 60. I am not sure if that’s a question most Danish children will ask at some point.

That system of naming numbers only applies to 50 through 90. The names for numbers 20, 30, and 40 do not follow the same system. However Danish does have a word for 1½ based on the same principle as 50, 70, and 90.

The worst part of how numbers are named in Danish is the order in which the digits are said. When you have a number like 456 789, the order in which the digits appear in the name of that number is 4, 6, 5, 7, 9, 8.

Other Scandinavian languages like Swedish and Norwegian have more sensible names for the numbers than we do.

I have heard that the French way of naming numbers is even more complicated than the Danish. But I don’t speak French, so I cannot say if that’s true.

Show threadEngelsbäckereiMar 6
@leanderlindahl
Don't forget about the pronounciation ... it's something else! I like Danish, but I love Danishes (the pastry)! 🤩
@distincteclare @elena @tournesol
Show threadLeander Lindahl 🇪🇺Mar 7
@Engelsbaeckerei @distincteclare @elena @tournesol I speak/pronounce it poorly, but I have great affection for Danish. Its beautiful in its own way and its sad that we no longer get Danish television where I live – 30 kilometres from the Danish capital. Growing up I watched 50% Danish television. But mine was probably the last generation to do that. #danmark 🇩🇰 ❤️ "Så får du ikke mere for den 25-øre"
Show threadElena Rossini on GoToSocial ⁂Mar 7

@leanderlindahl whaaaaaaaaat?!? I had no idea, wow!!! Mind = blown (and I thought the French way of saying numbers was too complex)

@distincteclare @tournesol

Show threadLeipoa ocellataMar 7
@leanderlindahl
Oh, i love that about Danish! Keeps you on your toes when you're shopping.
@distincteclare @elena @tournesol
Show threadHead·word /ˈhedˌwɜː(ɹ)d/ n.Mar 7

@leanderlindahl @distincteclare @elena @tournesol

‘I've got 9 and half of the fifth score of problems, but a Danish ain't one’

Show threadAdam SjøgrenMar 7

That's what the words meant, but Danes just learn them by heart, just like you do any other word.

Yes, seventy is called "halvfjerds", but no Danish speaker ever thinks about the etymology, we all just think "70".

The only time the origin of the words is trotted out is when somebody wants to speak about how quaint the language is.

Oh, and one hundred is "hundrede" in Danish, not "femsindstyve" - now you're just making stuff up.

Show threadLeipoa ocellataMar 7
@distincteclare
I think it would be a brilliant idea, but as always in Germany, it would end in culture war ... like it did when safety belts were made obligatory, or right now the attempt to introduce a speed limit. Many of my fellow Germans are naturally allergic to change, I fear.
@leanderlindahl @elena @tournesol
Show threadLeander Lindahl 🇪🇺Mar 7
@leipoa @distincteclare @elena @tournesol i guess it comes with age too. I don't want "ein-und-zwanzig" to change. But I'm sure when I was 14y trying to learn the language of poets and thinkers I would have been all for the idea.
Show threadEngelsbäckereiMar 6
@elena
I "love" saying phone numbers in French ... I love hearing and having to write them down even more: quatre vingt treize, quatre vingt huit, quatre vingt dix-neuf - oh, la vache! 🤪
@tournesol
Show threadJigsoMar 6
@elena @tournesol no it's the opposite : no need to do math, just pronounce numbers. For example : 60 + 10 = ? In french just read the 2 numbers : soixante-dix. 60 + 10 + 9 = soixante-dix neuf. Very easy.
Show threadMichael MathyMar 7

@elena @tournesol
When I was young and we used to spell phone number, I was always the stupid guy that asked when I heard 60 16, "vous voulez dire le nombre 7 et 6 ou soixante et seize" ?

Like
06 60 16 ...
06 76 ...

Show threadElena Rossini on GoToSocial ⁂Mar 7
@michaelmathy @tournesol oh wow I had never thought of it this way... indeed if your phone number is 60 followed by 16 you're in so much trouble 😂​
Show threadThe Penguin of EvilMar 7
@elena @tournesol try Welsh then. Older counting is in 20s and it uses addition and multipliers. Eg 18 is two nines and some numbers are even more complex. Interestingly young Welsh speaking children seem to do better at basic math.
Show thread🏴🏳‍⚧🏴‍☠Mar 6

@tournesol

fuck French. I took 4 years of classes and the only thing I made a point to remember is je n'parle francais. the French Canadians love that.

oiseaux? ridiculous

Show threadlacie baskervilleMar 6
@coolcalmcollected @tournesol je suis complètement d'accord
Show threadEnea LecasMar 6
@tournesol French-speaking Swiss and Belgians don't use "quatre-vingt-dix".
Show threadLeander Lindahl 🇪🇺Mar 6
@Enea90 @tournesol alors, qu’est-ce qu’ils disent?
Show threadEnea LecasMar 6
@leanderlindahl @tournesol nonante. In Swiss and Belgian French: 70 septante, 80 huitante, 90 nonante.
Show threadLeander Lindahl 🇪🇺Mar 6
@Enea90 @tournesol c'est bien mieux, à mon avis 🙂 comme l'italien. Mais ils ont nonante-neuf problèmes encore 🙂
Show threadLaurent CimonMar 6
@Enea90 @leanderlindahl @tournesol au Québec nous disons quatre vingt dix comme en France. Je ne sais pas pourquoi
Show threadEnea LecasMar 7
@clf @leanderlindahl @tournesol moi je sais pourquoi. Les premiers colons qui sont venus s'installer qu Québec venaient de France, pas de Suisse ou de Belgique.
Show threadLaurent CimonMar 7
@Enea90 @leanderlindahl @tournesol et c'était pas récent l'adoption de quatre vingt dix?
Show threadEnea LecasMar 7
@clf @leanderlindahl @tournesol C'est assez ancient, ça date de l'époque des gaulois, et c'est resté comme substrat linguistique après la conquête romaine. Les 2 systèmes numériques probablement coéxistaient auparavant, mais en France le système avec soixante-dix/quatre-vingt/quatre-vingt-dix est devenu standard après la révolution.
Show threadHartmut NeubauerMar 7
@Enea90 bien à savoir! @leanderlindahl @tournesol
Show threadPiques et répliques 🐛Mar 6

@tournesol

If you learn the swiss french language, you still have 99 problems. 🙂

Show threaddoro.eMar 6
@tournesol ah….kattrewängdisnöff 😂
Show threadBot_AnixMar 7
@doro @tournesol das klingt prima!
Show threadAubrietaMar 6
@tournesol 🤣
Show threadUrbilateria@EnricMar 6
@tournesol 😀👍🏻
Show threadpixelroiberMar 6
@tournesol plz don't check danish numbering system
Show threadNomdebMar 6
@tournesol I wonder if French kids are super smart at maths?
Show threadLaurent CimonMar 6
@nomdeb @tournesol it doesn't make a difference, most people don't realize the connection until later I think. I didn't at least. We just learn to count like this without thinking about it.
Show threadGeorge SaichMar 6
@tournesol
I am glad someone else noticed that. It is a mystery to me how that is manageable.
Show threadBot_AnixMar 7

@geos @tournesol whole french language is a mystery to me 😂
When I'm in France, I need some time to wake up my ≈ 15 words french left over from school but then I speak with hands and feet and a smile 🙃
Up to now it was always enough to understand.
(Same strategy in the NL, but maybe 25 words🤩)

I speak german to adult people who came from another country, most Ukrainians, online with www.little-world.com, an hour per person, its a very good fitness for my mind.

Show threadAntoineÐMar 6
@tournesol

de 99 à 43, c’est déjà pas mal !
Show threadTim RørstrømMar 6
@tournesol Or learn Danish and you will have 100 problems, as your previous number of problems will now be a maths problem: 9+(5-(1/2))*20.
Show threadThe TurtleMar 6
@tournesol but "99" takes a lot less time to say than "quatrevingtdixneuf."
Show threadPaper MoonMar 6
@tournesol
Blaise Pascal
Pierre de Fermat
Pierre Simon Laplace
Simeon Denis Poisson
Show threadHartmut NeubauerMar 6
@tournesol No. Learn German.
If you speak English, you have 90*9 = 810 problems.
If you speak French, you have 4*20*19 = 1520 problems.
Only with German language you have 9 + 90 = 99 problems.
Show threadHartmut NeubauerMar 6
@tournesol Or Spanish: 90 + 9 = 99 problems.
Show threadMans RMar 7
@agrinova @tournesol What about Danish?