HP van Braam

There is a silver lining to the whole #python #chardet debacle. If it is legal to throw a pile of code at an LLM, and tell it to write a new version of that code that is not a derivative then that gives us a lot of options too.

GPL compatible #ZFS? no problem! #ReactOS from the leaked NT/2k sources? No problem!

Maybe this is a golden age for the collapse of proprietary software after all. If they can do an end run around the #GPL we can do an end run around the #EULA.

#opensource

Mar 7 at 11:28amWeb
Show threadHugo MillsMar 7
@hp That'll just lead to another round of "for me, not for thee" proescutions that gets ignored by everyone.
Show threadMoses IzumiMar 7
@hp
I suppose this will be the year of ReactOS Gangster Edition on the desktop.
Show threadMoses IzumiMar 7
@hp
(it's a joke about some unofficial Windows XP bootscreen that got mildly popular at the start of this decade)
Show threadSuperIluMar 7
@hp IMHO FOSS (as we know it) will be more likely to collapse than payware 😩 🤬
Show threadDynomMar 7
@hp that's one hell of a silver lining.
Show threaddegenerating degenerateMar 7

@hp To be clear you don't have to "throw a pile of code at an LLM", you can anyway just get it to write something new from scratch that provides the same functionality. Eg, describe the commands it should support in what syntax, the general architecture, the language, and let it write the code.

It still takes a lot of effort and testing to get it to produce something good (manage it critiquing and fixing its own code). But you can get a result a lot faster than a human could do it alone.

Show threadHP van BraamMar 7

@hopeless that's not my experience at all.

Apart from the license laundering it definitely does not improve my coding speed.

It lets you turn the quality/speed knob a little bit more maybe. In the sense that you can generate bad code faster.

However, reading someone else's code takes way more mental energy and time than writing it. So you're either not reading it all, and thus losing quality, or you're slower than you were before.

Or you're lying, that's also possible.

Show threaddegenerating degenerateMar 7

@hp

> that's not my experience at all.

Well, OK, I have no idea what your experience would be...

> Or you're lying, that's also possible.

... yes... why would I care what you think so much I would spend time trying to give you the wrong idea? I might spend time trying to give you the right idea out of kindness. But if it's not helping, I will just shrug and wish you a nice rest of your day.

Show threadHP van BraamMar 7

@hopeless you made a hard claim with no equivocation: "But you can get a result a lot faster than a human could do it alone."

That is not my experience, at all.

You don't get to make a statement without any qualifiers about your experience that doesn't match my own and then claim that you were simply "give me the right idea" when I simply use the same non equivocal language about my experience.

Maybe ask your LLM if you don't understand why what you're doing is not a "kindness".

Show threaddegenerating degenerateMar 7

@hp

> You don't get to make a statement without any qualifiers about your experience

I see... I assumed the problem was some misunderstanding on your part, but it's just you are not very bright.

No worries, have a nice day anyway.