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What do you think is missing the most currently in the privacy and digital rights activism landscape?
Biggles 20X6!@Em0nM4stodon we have too few politicians that understand how fundamental privacy is to the very concept and existence of democracy
Raphael Albert@Taco_lad @Em0nM4stodon
I agree, and please allow me to build on your thoughts:
What I'd like to have are more ways for those who already care to organize, articulate their demands and bring them to our politicians.
It worked in the European Union with chat control and im sure it can work again. And again. And again.
I agree, and please allow me to build on your thoughts:
What I'd like to have are more ways for those who already care to organize, articulate their demands and bring them to our politicians.
It worked in the European Union with chat control and im sure it can work again. And again. And again.
@r_alb @Em0nM4stodon the reason why privacy is in the charter of human rights is so that you can discuss dissent with a regime's actions, without getting black bagged. So you can have meaningful choice in elections, so that voting for or voicing support for the opposition doesn't get you a free polonium tea.
MercuryCreativeWriterScrew@Taco_lad @Em0nM4stodon Oh, they understand all right.
modulux@Em0nM4stodon Convincing explanations of why privacy makes a concrete difference, rather than presenting it as an abstract risk (human rights, democracy, slippery slope). Many people can't understand why they should care.
Jen@modulux @Em0nM4stodon yes, this.
I think everyone gets it when it's things like bedroom curtains or a lock on the bathroom door. But protecting information seems to be a totally different concept. People don't get that privacy has lots of facets and they all matter.
I think everyone gets it when it's things like bedroom curtains or a lock on the bathroom door. But protecting information seems to be a totally different concept. People don't get that privacy has lots of facets and they all matter.
Bogdan Buduroiu@Em0nM4stodon an admission from the community that we're standing on the shoulders of giants, and that we are still essentially building high-security vaults on top of foundations we don't own and can't see.
Proprietary, closed-source firmware in phones, laptops, etc. is my Roman Empire.
LouisaHonestly? A genuine effort to make these concepts real and comprehensible for laypeople, who are the most at risk. There is a real lack of understanding amongst most people of how our data is and can be used and why we should care. Entirely aside from the ethical need to bring them along, without popular support, any proposed solution - be it software, policy or otherwise - will struggle to breakthrough.
Community led digital spaces.
Experiments in the vein of @ntnsndr work and/or blacksky and/or SOLID individual data pods/services.
Privacy-first distributed social networks with affordances for small-ish thematic spaces / group self-governing.
Less emphasis on tech and more on people power and education among them.
Janet Fraser@Em0nM4stodon Agree with previous responses in that most people don't know or understand how privacy protects them, what it protects them from. If people don't see the benefits privacy will give them, they won't come on board the privacy-first bus.
Of course, the underlying ignorance is of the consumer slavery culture that gangster capitalism has promoted as "living a better life". As I understand it, the whole point of data collection is improved marketing. Once people grok in its fullness that because they've sold their privacy they're being manipulated in absolutely every way possible, privacy will be a no-brainer.
(and, FYI, that's a Heinlein reference, not a wealth hoarder/concept hijacker one)
Of course, the underlying ignorance is of the consumer slavery culture that gangster capitalism has promoted as "living a better life". As I understand it, the whole point of data collection is improved marketing. Once people grok in its fullness that because they've sold their privacy they're being manipulated in absolutely every way possible, privacy will be a no-brainer.
(and, FYI, that's a Heinlein reference, not a wealth hoarder/concept hijacker one)
Mike@braxa26 @Em0nM4stodon
Had to boost because:
1) Well said
2) Use of grok
3) Call out to Heinlein
4) Put down of Musk
Had to boost because:
1) Well said
2) Use of grok
3) Call out to Heinlein
4) Put down of Musk
william.maggosunderstanding there's a difference between social networking and social media. that different goals require different approaches and norms. organizing and community are different from outreach and journalism. there's overlap but sometimes we disagree on how to do things because we want different outcomes.
we can want virality and that doesn't require algos and it's not a bad thing. or we can want small fedi and strict rules on federating. but we have to discuss it in good faith.
Princess UnikittyMy partner calls me a "software vegan" because I consistently make principled choices about the systems I engage with. Windows, FB, and other for-profit closed-source ecosystems have totally lost me. And honestly, I don't miss them one bit. The instant I saw an ad in the Windows start menu (!!!) I was gone.
I got my 75+ y/o dad on Linux. I chat with my parents on Signal. Making the shift is not insurmountable. Just like eating beans instead of beef is readily accessible, better for you, and more affordable. Access is not a problem - awareness, habits, and ease of transition are the main bottlenecks.
Femme Malheureuse@Em0nM4stodon Missing: language and discussion about consent and its role in privacy and rights, digital or otherwise.
Privacy should be a default with any exception requiring affirmative consent. There should be no need to block cookies just as there should be no need to tell businesses not to peer into one's home windows *without consent*.
I find consent to be discussed too infrequently went it comes to rights -- we have the right to say no and exceptions should be extremely obvious.
High intensity squirrel 🏳️⚧️There's an expectation that personal data falls into "public", "private", and different "sensitivity buckets" withing the private category, with the default category being "public", and that you must have a nefarious reason for NOT wanting that data public.
The only category IMO is "private" and I'll share what I want with whoever I want when *I* decide to. No one else.
High intensity squirrel 🏳️⚧️ (@[email protected])
“What do you have to hide?“ Everything. Full stop. Period. Every. Thing. What I had for breakfast is my choice to put out in the world. Who I love, who my friends are, what we talk about, the books I read, the websites I visit, my favourite animal, my choice of shoelaces. It. Does. Not. Matter. How. “Big”. Or “Small”. Every. Thing. It’s all up to me to decide who I want to share anything with. #privacy #surveillance
danwwilson 
@Em0nM4stodon Possibly a distinction between privacy and anonymity. People often think privacy on the Internet = Anonymity and that can feel dangerous because we’ve all been trolled, and how can people be held to account for bad actions if everyone can be anonymous. That is seems to be why policymakers in govt or companies want people to identify themselves. Finding ways to strike a balance here could go a long way to overcoming the concerns.
Orca 🌻 | 🎀 | 🪁 | 🏴🏳️⚧️@Em0nM4stodon
I don't know what's lacking in digital rights activism, but in many security specialized circles there's a stunning lack of sympathy towards less technologically capable users.
For example in the recent proton mail revelation I've saw "Proton did nothing wrong, they have to comply with gov requests anyway" and "That person so deserves it because they didn't learn to use crypto or cash payment". 😬
Another earlier case which an French environmentalist got outed by Proton they were like "If you're not using VPN/Tor in case like this you're doing it wrong also maybe turn off IP logging in Proton's account settings lol".
It's almost like "you deserves to have whatever shit throw to you because you don't know what we know".
Disgusting.
I don't know what's lacking in digital rights activism, but in many security specialized circles there's a stunning lack of sympathy towards less technologically capable users.
For example in the recent proton mail revelation I've saw "Proton did nothing wrong, they have to comply with gov requests anyway" and "That person so deserves it because they didn't learn to use crypto or cash payment". 😬
Another earlier case which an French environmentalist got outed by Proton they were like "If you're not using VPN/Tor in case like this you're doing it wrong also maybe turn off IP logging in Proton's account settings lol".
It's almost like "you deserves to have whatever shit throw to you because you don't know what we know".
Disgusting.
napierge@Em0nM4stodon how was said here. The education why the privacy is important. how the lost of privacy negatively influence our lives. most of ppl see me as crazy paranoi
Mark Deasy 🍉Missing? A relatable narrative for non-nerds.
Normie's 'get' privacy when it is imagined as voting with a pencil and paper in a booth, and not having someone looking over their shoulder.
They understand bodily autonomy privacy when it comes to toilet doors or shower screens preventing someone looking on.
But personal data, aggregated with others' data unsecured on the internet is an unrelatable abstraction, devoid of obvious consequences.
It seems harmless and irrelevant. An obsession for the tin-foil hat crew.
A focus on this issue is the biggest missing 'thing' at the moment.
Malka BethBasically the move backwards: It used to be that disabled unemployed adults were the only ones subjected to a complete lack of privacy & digital rights, due to structural problems with laws (mostly the #ADA) & general infantilizing of said group of people, but now it's everyone.
Now more specifically a lacking of understanding and to some extent outright lying on law sets and enforcement mechanisms of #HIPPA, which doesn't really protect or enhance medical records privacy, rather the opposite in practice & the Americans with Disabilities Act #ADA which basically runs on a combination of voluntary advanced given adaptive options, and generally publicly given disclosures of medical information with requests for accommodations before formal lawsuits, (which are pretty close to completely impossible in the online sphere).