Bas (Tools on Tech)Mar 7
ελΥ.𐤍
And that's how I ended up on mastodon
Mar 6 at 5:00amWeb
Show threadMichael GemarMar 6

@elyn @aburka Yeah, a Lovecraft quote repurposed to reference programming definitely means you should be here.

(Do you also have cats and/or like fungi?)

Show threadελΥ.𐤍Mar 6
@michaelgemar @aburka I've had two cats, but unfortunately, they've both been taken by the fungi
Show threadελΥ.𐤍Mar 6
@michaelgemar @aburka No hard feelings toward the fungi tho, they're such fun guys after all
Show threadEnigma VoiceMar 6

@elyn damn Mi-Go

@michaelgemar @aburka

Show threadrobMar 6
@michaelgemar @elyn @aburka it is also possible to have fungi and like cats, though of course you may "have" fungi in the same way you "have" cats, ie you are their staff, so the question of ownership is at the very least complex.... I need to go and lie down.
Show threadaburka 🫣Mar 6
@robparsons @michaelgemar @elyn I recommend clotrimazole
Show threadελΥ.𐤍Mar 6
@aburka @robparsons @michaelgemar but that'll de-fun the guys D:
Show threadDavid ZaslavskyMar 6

@elyn Oh hang on I gotta give you the obligatory admonition about using alt text while disregarding that you did in fact use alt text 😛

(welcome! this is sweet)

Show threadClaus Cramon HoumannMar 6
@elyn @mossmann 🤝
Show threadClaudiusMar 6
@elyn that is excellent. Welcome aboard, you'll fit right in. ❤️
Show threadRenke MeuweseMar 6
@elyn it's not exactly a self-fulfilling prophecy, but almost?
Show threadMartijn VosMar 6

@elyn

Architheuthis Flux was not wrong. 7 reshares already! That must be close to a world record.

Show threadErrant  Mar 6
@elyn I bet we can in fact make this a hit toot
Show threadDźwiedziuMar 6
@elyn
One of us! One of us! One of us!
Show threadQuantum, an area within AIMar 6

@dzwiedziu @elyn

There are dozens of us. Dozens!

Show threadελΥ.𐤍Mar 6
@pikesley @dzwiedziu That's so many more than a few!
Show threadOzzelot Mar 6
@elyn
Hi!
Show threadελΥ.𐤍Mar 6
@ozzelot hello :D !!
Show threadSebastian Crane 🏳️‍⚧️Mar 6
@elyn Welcome; hope you like it here 😃
Show threadελΥ.𐤍Mar 6
@seabass Thank you!
Show threadAgnieszka R. TurczyńskaMar 6
@elyn Nice to see you there. I hope you'll stay for longer 😊
Show threadελΥ.𐤍Mar 6
@agturcz With people this interesting, how couldn't I?
Show threadBenjaminMar 6
@elyn Welcome to Mastodon! Come for the toots, stay for the company :)
Show threadTanys FosterMar 6

It's like tumblr but humblr

@ben @elyn

Show threadEnigma VoiceMar 6
@elyn so, how do you like it here?
Show threadελΥ.𐤍Mar 7
@EnigmaVoice it's great! :D
Show threadAlyssa CoghlanMar 6

@elyn Python types:

"Everything's an object, right"

"OK, sure"

"So type, the type of types, is a subclass of object"

"OK, ..."

"And object, since it's a type, is an instance of type"

"... wat?"

(the amount of "lying to computers" involved in starting a Python interpreter is genuinely fun, for a given definition of "fun")

Show threadελΥ.𐤍Mar 6
@ancoghlan that's insane
Show threadελΥ.𐤍Mar 6
@ancoghlan I love that every last component that goes into making a computer do stuff is lying to every other component making the computer do stuff
Show threadAlyssa CoghlanMar 6

@elyn Yeah, I advise folks to steer clear of the core type machinery implementation unless they actually *want* to stretch their brains into weird shapes in order to understand it. Lots of "this isn't quite true yet, but it will be true before it needs to be true, just trust us on that, computer".

I also love the fact that it is all completely *un*necessary knowledge for folks that just want to use Python without worrying about the fiddly details of how it works.

Show threadελΥ.𐤍Mar 6
@ancoghlan I love fiddly details and non-euclidean neurology! It's good compilers don't appear to be conscious. I can't fathom the depths of their paranoia if they had to experience all the lies and coercion we put them through
Show threadkonstiMar 6

@elyn @ancoghlan a lot of the python internal type machinery was added before python had spellable types, which now shows up as those strange breaks in the type math.

there's a similar case where `float` actually means `float | int`, so there's now no way of saying just float, no int, even though `isinstance(1, float) == False`.

Show threadελΥ.𐤍Mar 6
@konstin @ancoghlan Maybe they should just change it, surely there's no historical precedent indicating that changing foundational design details would ever stifle adoption or fracture a community!
Show threadελΥ.𐤍Mar 6
@konstin @ancoghlan That's genuinely really cool to know tho, thank u :D
Show threadAlyssa CoghlanMar 6
@konstin @elyn Oof, I had managed to forget how much worse it all was before the classic class emulation bits were dropped, but that observation reminded me. I shudder to think how much harder it would have been to start defining type forms if those were still around (as you say, it's hard enough retrofitting a comprehensive description language to the status quo).
Show threadLaíns ⚡🌈🇵🇸Mar 6
@ancoghlan @elyn I didn't mean to, but I have been in the past couple days, and I am not even working in anything conceptually complex 😅
Show threadPxl PhileMar 7

@elyn @ancoghlan well you started with the Lovecraftian scenery. Welcome to cosmic horror of comp...oh god

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Show threadελΥ.𐤍Mar 7
@ppxl @ancoghlan   
Show threadDan PemicMar 6
@elyn damn Architeuthis Flux was not wrong
Show threadglasspshrMar 6
@elyn everyone has an origin story
Show threadAcid Plushy Mar 6
@elyn hi!
Show threadελΥ.𐤍Mar 6
@autisticplushy hey there :D
Show thread∴ esoterik ∴Mar 6
@elyn 👋
Show threadελΥ.𐤍Mar 6
@d6 
Show threadAnna1914 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿Mar 6
@elyn as you do lol
Show threadMichael RobertsMar 6
@elyn This tracks.
Show threadRyan FinnieMar 6
@elyn Some days I wake up and decide I want to invent a new type of number. I'm glad Python supports this.
Show threadCarlos SolísMar 6
That's a hit toot on Mastodon


I got it from the trending bot so, yeah, that's indeed a hit toot on Mastodon

Show threadελΥ.𐤍Mar 6
@csolisr @ArchiteuthisFlux is a prophet, truly
Show threadKevin Santo CappuccioMar 6
@elyn @csolisr I mean, complaining about Python's type system and edited Lovecraft quotes on their own are popular pastimes here. You blended them together with a sprinkle of 4th wall breaking into pure Mastodon catnip.
Show threadελΥ.𐤍Mar 7
@ArchiteuthisFlux @csolisr the alchemical formula for mastodon catnip has thus been revealed
Show threadfabiosantoscodeMar 6
@elyn you found The Place (tm)
Show threadKevin Santo CappuccioMar 6
@elyn omg I was right holy shit
Show threadελΥ.𐤍Mar 6
@ArchiteuthisFlux YOU REALLY WERE, OMG
Show threadT_XMar 6
@elyn I was about to ask you for a link to the original Mastodon post, to be able to boost that one and to give the author credit. Luckily I read the last post just before posting myself :D.
Edit: And hi and welcome 👋
Show threadελΥ.𐤍Mar 6
@T_X thank you!! And hey, if you're looking for anyone else to give some credit to, check out @ArchiteuthisFlux , the post wouldn't exist without him telling me it'd be well received here!
Show threadMax LeibmanMar 6
@elyn Welcome!
Show threadStefan BohacekMar 7

@elyn Welcome!

I'd say I hope you'll like it here, but I have a feeling that you will!

Show threadελΥ.𐤍Mar 7
@stefan and you're so right!
Show threadthere is beauty in simplicityMar 7
@elyn I mean, they were right